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Bug Let's Talk About Mimicry
Posted by: WildWisdom - 06-28-2023, 10:09 PM - Forum: Miscellaneous - No Replies
Hello guys,
mimicry or imitation general is such an important and fascinating part of nature and I would like to hear some interesting animals (apart from this video) that use mimicry that you heard of :)



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  Caspian tigers from Azerbaijan
Posted by: zulfu1903 - 06-18-2023, 02:51 PM - Forum: Tiger - Replies (6)
Hello all, 

After messaging back and forth with Mr. Peter he suggested me to add these findings to the thread as well.

Firstly, there's a recent paper about extinction of Caspian tigers and information on how scientific bias doomed the survival of this formal ssp. Full article is aviliable via - https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10....50191/full

Secondly, I wanted to add my recent findings regarding the size of this ssp. As you know (mentioned by mr.Peter as well) there is quite some variation on the size of turanian tiger speciemens. Here I add 2 photos of stuffed tigers acquired by Gustav Radde from his trip to South Caucasus (Lenkeran, Azerbaijan) in 1866. Later, Satunin gives the measuremnt of skins as follows: 283 cm (173 cm body+ 110 cm tail) and 254 cm (161 cm+93 cm tail). In the Museum there's a particullarly large caspian tiger skull from Bilesuvar (North of Lenkeran) with length of 36 cm according to Satunin, 1906.  I am adding the pictures of stuffed skins from 1866 and mentioned skull below.


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  Giant bears of the Mio-Pliocene
Posted by: hibernours - 06-17-2023, 07:57 PM - Forum: Prehistoric animals - Replies (3)
Hello,

Here i would like to start a thread concerning the bears of the Mio-Pliocene period. In fact, we always speak about the bears of the pleistocene because some of them (Arctodus, Arctotherium, Ursus arctos priscus, Ursus ingressus) have reached the mythic mass up to 1000 kg and even more for the largest specimens. I confess it is really impressive for a carnivore but bears are not hypercarnivores like big cats or canids so maybe this is one of the reasons concerning their great size? I don't know.

But, there are other prehistoric bears which lived before the pleistocene period and some of them were probably very big. Here are some of them with measurements and references:

- Agriotherium africanum

Specimen PQ-L 45062 - Condylobasal length of the skull: 420 mm, zygomatic width: 305 mm. The zygomatic width is big, larger than almost all of the extinct big cats. I think that one skull of a very big male panthera atrox has a comparable width, maybe even a little bit larger, i am not sure. But in the same paper there is a skull of Arctodus which has a zygomatic width as much as 364 mm!!! No doubt that these bears could bit with a great power.
Specimen L50446 - Condylobasal length of the skull: 465 mm. The famous specimen of Arctodus PM 24880 had a condylobasal length around 422 mm and probably weighted at least 740kg to give you a brief comparison. And we are talking about bears which are not obese so imagine this bear in a zoo with a lot of food...

- Indarctos oregonensis

With a length of 362.54 mm, the huge mandible from Ft-40, Nebraska represents the largest mandible of all Indarctos and among the largest mandibles of all bears, rivaled only by the largest individuals of Ursus spelaeus (Baryshnikov 2007), Arctotherium angustidens (López et al. 2008) and “Agriotherium schneideri” (personal observation).

Specimen UCMP V22362, Indarctos oregonensis from the Rattlesnake bed: very large humerus (around 50 cm based on the scale bar, measured with Paint 3D) and extremely robust. 
The humerus is enormous, being larger than any living bear and representing the largest known humerus for the genus.
To give you some other comparisons: humerus of Ursus arctos gyas: 44,4 cm. What is the length of the largest humerus of extinct big cats please?

- Huracan

Complete crania permitting measurement of total length and condylobasal length are rare, but those have an average of 490 mm for cranial total length (n = 2) and 440 mm for condylobasal length (n = 4; table 5). However, complete mandibles are abundant, with a mean length of 318.5 mm (n = 8; table 11). Based on the ratios of 1.47 and 1.37 for cranial total length/ mandibular length and condylobasal length/mandibular length, respectively, from an individual associated cranium and mandible of AMNH F:AM 76005, the range of cranial total lengths and condylobasal lengths in this species are estimated at 411–553 mm and 383–515 mm, respectively.
There is a skull about 502.92 mm in length concerning Huracan coffeyi. (table 5). The largest mandible has an impressive size of 376.32 mm! (table 11)
H. coffeyi not only has a small width/length ratio as a result of relative elongation of the humerus, but the epicondyles also are distinctly weaker than those of Ursus, Arctodus, and Ailuropoda. The width/length ratio is distinctly smaller in H. coffeyi than in Ursus, Arctodus and Ailuropoda, but comparable to that of extant Panthera (Felidae) species, a large and relatively cursorial carnivore.
Together, these traits suggest that H. coffeyi was a cursorial animal, more so than any living bear, the extinct giant short-faced bear, and probably extant lions.

Even though H. coffeyi has a huge skull and very large teeth (probably the largest among all known bears, living and extinct, together with Ursus ingressus and Arctotherium angustidens), its postcranial bones are only slightly larger than those of Agriotherium africanum, are smaller than Indarctos oregonensis, and are distinctly smaller than those of the giant short-faced bear Arctodus.

An interesting citation concerning Arctodus: Well-developed humerus epicondyles and a wide range of ulna rotation support an inference that Arctodus was powerful and could subdue large prey, unlike the suggestion of Sorkin (2006)

Indarctos has a variable humerus morphology, although all Indarctos species are clearly distinguished from H. coffeyi in having an entepicondylar foramen. The type specimen of I. oregonensis is very robust, with expanded humerus epicondyles like those of Ursus (Merriam et al., 1916).

I have posted some data about large bears because large bears are popular. But of course the data concerning smaller bears are also interesting and are welcome.

References:

Fossil Bear from South Africa - 1977 - Q. B. Hendey.

References:
Coexistence of Indarctos and Amphimachairodus (Carnivora) in the Late Early Hemphillian of Florida, North America.

References:
New Fossil Giant Panda Relatives (Ailuropodinae, Ursidae): A Basal Lineage of Gigantic Mio-Pliocene Cursorial Carnivores - 2023.
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  Evaluate mass with GDI
Posted by: hibernours - 06-07-2023, 09:08 PM - Forum: Questions - Replies (1)
Hello everyone,

I would like to know if someone has already made a mass evaluation using the GDI (Graphical Double Integration) technique and if so, with which program please? This technique seems quite good to my opinion and i would like to try myself.
Also, does someone know some tutorials online please?

I give you thanks.
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Information Some observations on the Mapogo Lions
Posted by: ADF_6MF - 05-29-2023, 04:53 PM - Forum: Lion - No Replies
1. Hello, Wildfact folks.

I would like to create a discussion forum about Mapogo Lions.

I am a scholar of the Mapogo Lions saga and I present here my meditations and observations on this subject.

Respectful comments from readers will always be welcome. No one owns the truth. We are eternal learners.

2. It is a long, complex text with lots of data and observations.

I will divide it into 7 parts, in order to facilitate reading and comprehension.

Thanks in advance to those who read it.

These 7 parts are the result of a lot of work and research.

I tried my best to bring an account close to reality. I may be mistaken about some information.

The text is in English, but was originally produced in the Portuguese of Brazil.

Happy reading everyone.
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  Largest recorded Tiger and a Lion in Scientific records.
Posted by: rishabh.d - 05-10-2023, 12:41 PM - Forum: Tiger - Replies (4)
What is the largest recorded Wild Tiger and a Wild Lion in scientific records ? Please give as much detail as possible.
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  Does anyone know what the weight of this Tiger?
Posted by: rishabh.d - 04-24-2023, 12:58 PM - Forum: Tiger - No Replies
I've seen this video https://youtube.com/shorts/dpGbXGs-2F4?feature=share a lot of times on many channels, I wonder what would be the weight of this Tiger. It's behind those cows and  its still looks so big, just by the looks of it, it seems like the biggest cat there is today.
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  Wild Turkey Sleeping Behavior
Posted by: alex_sebh - 04-20-2023, 12:17 AM - Forum: Questions - No Replies
Do wild turkeys sleep anywhere other than where this page says they do? It says only in trees and on the ground only while nesting. What about during a tornado or hurricane?
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  Animals with mouth wide open showing their teeth
Posted by: Temin - 04-19-2023, 05:34 PM - Forum: Wildlife Pictures and Videos Gallery - No Replies
I'm starting this thread for anyone to post pictures of animals showing their teeth for whatever reason (threat display, yawning....), because this kind of pic is cool, and I want to use them as drawing reference :)
I dont have much myself but here are a few ones
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  Massai Mara and Sabi Sands/Kruger lodges
Posted by: T_Ferguson - 03-30-2023, 07:22 PM - Forum: Vacations and Holidays - No Replies
Has anybody been to these places and have recommendations for places to stay.  I intend to do this the right way if I go.  I've looked at Mala Mala and Londolozi for Sabi Sands to stay, and intend on staying there for 3 or 4 days if possible.  Massai Mara is another intriguing possibility, but curious what camps/resorts I should look to.  Also, if there is anybody that has been there, and had a good experience at a particular lodge.
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