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(Yesterday, 01:23 AM)Potato Wrote: "I didn't say that the Nharhu were the only males in the area."

I did.

"The five River pride males were still on their natal pride."

Ok, I should have said " there was no other males in the arena, but Nharhus of age that could be threat to Mbiri male". Do you really consider that those sub adults could injure Mbiri male. Moreover even if they could have then why would they? They were way to young to think of setting their own terriotrry. I am not even sure they were still in the arena, not moved away once River females started mating with Mbiris and Nharhus. 

"Those five males were involved more than 1 times on a fight with the Mbiri males."

One of them was once chassed, cought and mauled by Mbiris. That is all. They were just sub adults.

" but they haven't involved on a fight with the Mbiri males until this year that 2 of the 3 Nharhu chased off the Mbiri males away."

Ok so injurys on Mbiri male must have been caused by around 2-3 years old sub adults of River pride. 

"Anyway. Don't worry I've asked to Chad Cocking and Luke Street. Let's see what they say about."


Omg, men, just read their raports jesus.
OK.
When you say that those sub-adults of 2-3 can make nothing to the Mbiri male. That's is very wrong. Those sub-adults male can caught a lot of damage to any dominant male.
An old example with the Avoca male [Mohawk/lamula] vs the Nkuhuma male + the Mangheni male. Those two [Sub-adults males] have beaten the northern Avoca male.
easily those injuries can be caused by those five river pride males.
Btw. I read those  two reports when were uploaded by Tanda Tula. Until now I'm not convinced that the Mbiri male can against 2 Nharhu males. when clearly on 2v2 they loss the fight and were chasing off by  the dominant males for over seven kilometers
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(Yesterday, 01:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(10-19-2020, 11:25 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(10-19-2020, 11:20 PM)Gijima Wrote: @Tr1x24 Check out the sunrise episode. The ranger definitely said “Birmingham breakaway” and 7 males (11 lions total). At this point I’m confused about how many Birmingham breakaways there are
I check it. 

Yeah lol, it looks like that every other lion pride in that area they call Birmingham breakeaway hehe.. 
But he said that he didnt see them all together for a long time, so before maybe we seen only part of Birmingham breakeaway.. 

1 male seems to be the oldest, like Injured Birmingham male, then 3 slightly younger and 3 youngest.. Those 3 youngest might be sons of Ross males..

We have seen so many recent happenings in the lion world that couldn't have been predicted. The biggest for me is why the Ross males allowed so many offspring of the former males to remain in the pride. Even if they only killed the young males, allowing the females to remain, would have still made so much more sense to me. It just goes to prove that nature will always remain unpredictable.
That's perhaps is  because they never interacted with the Birmingham breakaway pride.
The Ross males have a reputation for their cranky boys. Especially the dark-maned one [Tyson]
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(Yesterday, 01:51 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:
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Quote:@Tr1x24 Check out the sunrise episode. The ranger definitely said “Birmingham breakaway” and 7 males (11 lions total). At this point I’m confused about how many Birmingham breakaways there are
I check it. 

Yeah lol, it looks like that every other lion pride in that area they call Birmingham breakeaway hehe.. 
But he said that he didnt see them all together for a long time, so before maybe we seen only part of Birmingham breakeaway.. 

1 male seems to be the oldest, like Injured Birmingham male, then 3 slightly younger and 3 youngest.. Those 3 youngest might be sons of Ross males..
We have seen so many recent happenings in the lion world that couldn't have been predicted. The biggest for me is why the Ross males allowed so many offspring of the former males to remain in the pride. Even if they only killed the young males, allowing the females to remain, would have still made so much more sense to me. It just goes to prove that nature will always remain unpredictable.
That's perhaps is  because they never interacted with the Birmingham breakaway pride.
The Ross males have a reputation for their cranky boys. Especially the dark-maned one [Tyson]

Yes, it seems that Ross males didnt and dont control Birmingham Breakaway Pride, they would certaintly kill those cubs if they where.. 

They tolerated subadults in Birmingham pride because when they came, pride was already abandoned and subadults where 2 yrs old already and all 4 females where in estrus again (similar situation with N. Avocas and Nkuhuma subadults, Bboys offspring)..
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So here is another Birmingham Breakaway:
https://mobile.twitter.com/WildEarth/status/1284887742711726083

As you can see the makeup of this pride is completely different, with young cubs and one male subadult who’s the Birmingham male’s age. This is the pride the Ross Males are dominant over. I don’t think they control the one with 7 males at all.
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(Yesterday, 02:12 AM)Gijima Wrote: So here is another Birmingham Breakaway:
https://mobile.twitter.com/WildEarth/status/1284887742711726083

As you can see the makeup of this pride is completely different, with young cubs and one male subadult who’s the Birmingham male’s age. This is the pride the Ross Males are dominant over. I don’t think they control the one with 7 males at all.

This behavior is very common when a pride never interacted before with the male lions in this case the Ross males.
As you can see, the Stompie lioness when saw the Ross males approaching to the pride her has turned very aggressive.
A completely different behavior as the main Birmingham pride who is controlled by the Ross males
Thanks for sharing the link
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(Yesterday, 02:12 AM)Gijima Wrote: As you can see the makeup of this pride is completely different, with young cubs and one male subadult who’s the Birmingham male’s age. This is the pride the Ross Males are dominant over. I don’t think they control the one with 7 males at all.

Hmm interesting, but i think thats the same pride, theres lot of young males there, and 1 older as you said, just as on this recent sightings..

But some of those subadults look too young to be sired by Avoca/Giraffes..
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(Yesterday, 08:38 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 02:12 AM)Gijima Wrote: As you can see the makeup of this pride is completely different, with young cubs and one male subadult who’s the Birmingham male’s age. This is the pride the Ross Males are dominant over. I don’t think they control the one with 7 males at all.

Hmm interesting, but i think thats the same pride, theres lot of young males there, and 1 older as you said, just as on this recent sightings..

But some of those subadults look too young to be sired by Avoca/Giraffes..

Ok yeah I see that now... but if these are the same males, wow, they grew a lot between July and Oct!
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(7 hours ago)Gijima Wrote: Ok yeah I see that now... but if these are the same males, wow, they grew a lot between July and Oct!

Hope we can see more of them on We, to see better their aprox. age.
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Birmingham breakaway pride with cubs June 2018

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I asked to Ziggi when he saw the Birmingham breakaway pride about how many young males he saw on the pride. Definitely are seven boys. What a formidable coalition they could be on a future!
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(6 hours ago)TinoArmando Wrote: I asked to Ziggi when he saw the Birmingham breakaway pride about how many young males he saw on the pride. Definitely are seven boys. What a formidable coalition they could be on a future!

Can you ask him are the Ross males even dominant over Birmingham Breakaway? That would solved a lot of question who sired those youngsters..
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The pics are not in order but saw the Giraffe pride, Burningham break away pride and Avoca pride in one morning.
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