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Some insight regarding what may have occurred w the Ximunghwe Cubs:

My interpretation from this description is the PCMs killed the cubs.


“The younger Ximungwe lioness finally gave birth to her first litter in a thicket along a sandy river bed. It is uncertain exactly how many cubs were born. A day or two later I found the two large males patrolling the river and they seemed to be hot on the scent of another lion. I am not sure whether the Tumbela male had visited the den already. All of a sudden the two males sprinted down stream and ended up startling the females at the den. There was an enormous commotion and once all the chaos settled down, all four lions came out from the den. Since then the Ximungwe female has not returned to that area”


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Thats the impression the writer seems to have.

I think it was just a random scuffle. Lionesses den on their own so it makes no sense for both Ximhungwes to be present. Though they do hide in densites if they want to avoid a fight.

 A few days is also awfully quick to go back into mating.

As for what doomed the cubs, assuming they existed.
I believe that as one group of males spend time with the Ximhungwe pride. The others would be near laying low and waiting their opportunity. So if one of the lionesses breaks off to tend to her litter. She could have easily drawn the attention of those other males. 

This would have either prevented her from checking up and feeding the cubs or lead the male lion to them. Either way putting the cubs at risk of death or starvation.
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(04-19-2023, 03:56 AM)Cath2020 Wrote:
(04-18-2023, 11:44 PM)Mapokser Wrote: The adult Southern lioness is doing a spectacular job rebuilding her pride.

Quite.  This is especially in contrast to the older Ximhungwe Lioness who cannot seem to raise any viable young passed the denning stage since her daughter was killed.  No stability = no surviving offspring.  

To be fair, the Southern lioness was lucky the Gijima males accepted her daughters peacefully, and then of course became their protectors, while Ximhungwe's daughter was killed, despite being a similar age.
And as @Mapokser said, one Mhangeni lioness has been seen denning, though given the pride's track record in the last few years, it remains to be seen whether this litter will be raised successfully.
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Anyone recall when (month/year) the Ximhungwe lioness lost her daughter? Trying to find more information on it and looking for a little help narrowing down the time-line.
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(04-19-2023, 08:11 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Anyone recall when (month/year) the Ximhungwe lioness lost her daughter? Trying to find more information on it and looking for a little help narrowing down the time-line.

her daughter disappeared appx between sep-oct 2021.

last sighting was first week of september accompanied by limper Tumbela.  

no other sightings reported afterwards of the to together.  

Ximungwe was seen first week of october roaring alone on Inyati
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(04-19-2023, 08:19 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(04-19-2023, 08:11 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Anyone recall when (month/year) the Ximhungwe lioness lost her daughter? Trying to find more information on it and looking for a little help narrowing down the time-line.

her daughter disappeared appx between sep-oct 2021.

last sighting was first week of september accompanied by limper Tumbela.  

no other sightings reported afterwards of the to together.  

Ximungwe was seen first week of october roaring alone on Inyati


Thanks for the information!
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( This post was last modified: 04-19-2023, 08:29 PM by criollo2mil )

(04-19-2023, 08:21 PM)Mwk85 Wrote:
(04-19-2023, 08:19 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(04-19-2023, 08:11 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Anyone recall when (month/year) the Ximhungwe lioness lost her daughter? Trying to find more information on it and looking for a little help narrowing down the time-line.

her daughter disappeared appx between sep-oct 2021.

last sighting was first week of september accompanied by limper Tumbela.  

no other sightings reported afterwards of the to together.  

Ximungwe was seen first week of october roaring alone on Inyati


Thanks for the information!


Here is her final sighting.  in your research you may find mentions and comments that she was seen alove with the mother...but those reports ended up being erroneous as the female seen with her ended up being Gingerella...not her daughter.



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Mohawk with his sons, Ndhzenga with Kambula, southern pride cubs, PC boy, BD boys




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Mohawk Avoca with his sons and the blondie Talamati, Tumbela and one of the PC boys.




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Need help.   Those of you good with IDs…..could this be 1/2 Gijimas attacking the injured Kambula YM?



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(04-21-2023, 01:44 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Need help.   Those of you good with IDs…..could this be 1/2 Gijimas attacking the injured Kambula YM?




A young male with a sniptail only males ik are one of the two older kambula boys or one of the five older nhkulu males
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(04-21-2023, 01:44 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Need help.   Those of you good with IDs…..could this be 1/2 Gijimas attacking the injured Kambula YM?




Ok, so it’s not a GIJIMA…..Notice this boy is a snipped tail……maybe he’s KYM2?    I’m just grasping here.  Lol
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(04-21-2023, 01:58 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:
(04-21-2023, 01:44 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Need help.   Those of you good with IDs…..could this be 1/2 Gijimas attacking the injured Kambula YM?




A young male with a sniptail only males ik are one of the two older kambula boys or one of the five older nhkulu males

So I’ve been asking around and these are all are apparently both Nkuhulu YMs.

If they’re on Lion Sands this places the Southern Pride and their new cubs in some danger.
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Yes, Snip Tailed male is Nkuhulu young male.

Dont think he is attacking, prob playing with his brother.
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(04-21-2023, 07:35 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Yes, Snip Tailed male is Nkuhulu young male.

Dont think he is attacking, prob playing with his brother.

Are we sure it’s the nhkulu young males? K1 or k2 also has a snip tail not saying you’re wrong just trying to confirm
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