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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (05-15-2023, 06:22 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @NLAL11 Idk of any litter she has ever had. The earliest I know about her adult life is when her fathers were ousted ( she and her sisters were less than 4,5yo ) and Selatis took over the pride. I had always that rumor about a litter but like you’ve said, I have never seen evidence. Rob documented quite extensively the litters of the Othowas w the selati and always remarked about one being cubless. 
On this episode:
Ximhungwe Pride Ottawa Pride Ntsevu Coalition Plains Camp males
2/2 Black Dam males seen on Wildearth Sunrise Drive today
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As daybreak fell, we followed up on the Talamati Pride. Knowing they had made a warthog kill the night before, we headed straight in the direction of the closest waterhole and found the females around the waterhole and soon after the male appeared out of the treeline making his way to the water. With lions being known as opportunistic hunters they chased after zebra and Blue wildebeest in the vicinity before settling down to drink water and relax as they overlooked the open plain ahead of them.
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  (05-16-2023, 04:11 PM)KNPLimper Wrote:(05-16-2023, 12:50 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @lionuk holy cow Ximhungwe has a very very bad limp, I wonder what happened to her, but it's very worrisome. Tumbela coalition (Skorro being most probable) Ndzhenga coalition (Ubuso probable based on appearance of one of them as cubs, notably wide head with wider nose, prominent Ubuso feature, could be just coincidence thpugh)  (05-16-2023, 07:30 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: Ndzhenga coalition (Ubuso probable based on appearance of one of them as cubs, notably wide head with wider nose, prominent Ubuso feature, could be just coincidence thpugh) Prob Amahle or OE based of subs look and mating hierarcy ( OE seen first mating with SP female), but WN did hang with them the most.
@KNPLimper Ginger sired the adult Othawa female ( now in the Ximhungwe pride ), Tumbelas sired Othawas subadults.
@RookiePundit people on FB seems to believe the subs look like Skorro's brothers but I hope Skorro is the one to have sired them because the other 2 weren't healthy. 
I dont think the ailments that the Tumbella brothers had were genetic. So it wouldn't matter much who sired the cubs.
Besides. We shouldn't underestimate Limper. That guy was a fighter. His illness unfortunately got the best of him in the end.
@Duco Ndona didn't they had TB? Didn't the Nkuhuma male who sired them also had TB? Skorro's father Skorro didn't have TB and was also unrelated to the NK male.
I don't know if vulnerability to TB has anything to do with genetics but I'd rather have a father and grandfather who didn't got it than a father and grandfather who did. (05-17-2023, 12:43 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Duco Ndona didn't they had TB? Didn't the Nkuhuma male who sired them also had TB? Skorro's father Skorro didn't have TB and was also unrelated to the NK male. Its not know which disease they had, is it TB or not, as they also had that "black spot". Also those bacteria diseases are not genetical from what i understand, you get infected by consuming them from the wild. Its far more likely they consumed same infected carcass when they where young.
Its a bacterial pathogen. So not something you can easily evolve out off.
It could have been just down to luck that Skorro never contracted it or his overall health could have been well enough to beat it. I dont think we can compare the genetic legacy of individual lions on just this specific trait. There have been plenty of great lions that weren't immune to the pathogen.
@Tr1x24
Lots of lions have that black spot and are perfectly healthy. NK male has it, was a nomad basically his entire life, lost multiples partners and got beaten up multiple times and is still in foperfect condition, meanwhile Tumbelas as young dominant males quickly died. Another example of an older lion is Imbali, also has it and is also in great shape. |
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