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(03-20-2023, 01:21 AM)Robot00 Wrote: Can you explain how these two young bdm boys are related to him? I assume their father is big BDM's brother? Can you provide some more insight?
That BDM was their uncle, he comes from the same pride.
So the 7 old avoca/giraffe males sired
3 Northern Avocas
2 Southern Avocas
6 Black Dam males
7 Birmingham Breakaway males ( or most of them )
And the BYM (with the torchwood male)
And then the Ross males sired the xikukutsu males right?
BDM were not sired by the Avoca/Giraffe, it was their half-brother the lone old Giraffe male. They sired 3/7 Birmingham brekaways.
I was told the lone giraffe male was the youngest brother of the other giraffe males the others left their pride without him and many just call them the 7 giraffe males That’s y I said 7 even tho not a coalition 7 brothers/half brothers together their sons are … the males I listed above right?
03-20-2023, 04:15 PM( This post was last modified: 03-20-2023, 04:20 PM by Mdz123 )
(03-20-2023, 06:31 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 03:35 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 02:10 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 01:37 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 01:21 AM)Robot00 Wrote: Can you explain how these two young bdm boys are related to him? I assume their father is big BDM's brother? Can you provide some more insight?
That BDM was their uncle, he comes from the same pride.
So the 7 old avoca/giraffe males sired
3 Northern Avocas
2 Southern Avocas
6 Black Dam males
7 Birmingham Breakaway males ( or most of them )
And the BYM (with the torchwood male)
And then the Ross males sired the xikukutsu males right?
BDM were not sired by the Avoca/Giraffe, it was their half-brother the lone old Giraffe male. They sired 3/7 Birmingham brekaways.
I was told the lone giraffe male was the youngest brother of the other giraffe males the others left their pride without him and many just call them the 7 giraffe males That’s y I said 7 even tho not a coalition 7 brothers/half brothers together their sons are … the males I listed above right?
There were on'y 6 young Giraffe males, 5 of them left the youngest behind and later joined 2 other Avocas, who were also sons of the old Ross, thus forming the 7 Avoca/Giraffe, and the youngest male that was left behind became old solo Giraffe
(03-20-2023, 01:21 AM)Robot00 Wrote: Can you explain how these two young bdm boys are related to him? I assume their father is big BDM's brother? Can you provide some more insight?
That BDM was their uncle, he comes from the same pride.
So the 7 old avoca/giraffe males sired
3 Northern Avocas
2 Southern Avocas
6 Black Dam males
7 Birmingham Breakaway males ( or most of them )
And the BYM (with the torchwood male)
And then the Ross males sired the xikukutsu males right?
BDM were not sired by the Avoca/Giraffe, it was their half-brother the lone old Giraffe male. They sired 3/7 Birmingham brekaways.
I was not aware that the Avoca/Giraffe males fathered 3 of those 7 breakaway males. So, the Ross Males accepted young males in two different groups, including their acceptance of BYM. They have been such fantastic pride males for a multitude of reasons, but that is sure one of the biggest.
I mix it up, I think its 4/7 that were sired by the Avoca/Giraffe and the other 3 were the sons of Ross males
03-20-2023, 05:11 PM( This post was last modified: 03-20-2023, 05:37 PM by Mdz123 )
(03-20-2023, 04:36 PM)Robot00 Wrote: The recent Birmingham and birm breakaway (7 sons) is a weird occurrence. Why? Because in those 7 sons, 3 are current ross males sons.
Why did their mother(s) break them away from their own fathers? Are the ross males not those 3/7 break away boys fathers?
Why did not break away with the BYM thats not ross males son and left him to be injured by the ross males?
I am kind of confused and may be i have missed something but it seems super strange to me that actually occurred
The lionesses broke off with the youngest Avoca/Giraffe cubs/subs to avoid the Ross males. The oldest of the subadults was a few months younger then BYM, the rest were all born in 2017-18 iirc. The new males already sired a few cubs when they broke off. The breakaway lionesses probably thought these new cubs were sired by the Avoca/Giraffe. BYM was already 3 years old. he left as a nomad after being chased off of his natal pride. Joined Torchwood male in 2021
(03-20-2023, 04:01 AM)Robot00 Wrote: I would like to know the connection of the BIG BDM to these young bdm boys. How are they related? Im looking for family tree info, lolz.
They came from the same pride - Black Dam pride so they are closely related from morthers side.
(03-20-2023, 04:36 PM)Robot00 Wrote: The recent Birmingham and birm breakaway (7 sons) is a weird occurrence. Why? Because in those 7 sons, 3 are current ross males sons.
Why did their mother(s) break them away from their own fathers? Are the ross males not those 3/7 break away boys fathers?
Why did not break away with the BYM thats not ross males son and left him to be injured by the ross males?
I am kind of confused and may be i have missed something but it seems super strange to me that actually occurred
Avoca/Giraffe migh sire some of Birmingham Breakaway males, but just as well they all might be sired by Ross males in fact.
BYM is from Birmingham pride, not Birmingham breakaway pride.
03-20-2023, 08:28 PM( This post was last modified: 03-20-2023, 08:29 PM by Tr1x24 )
This is not the topic to discuss who sired Xikukutsus, but to make some things clear.
Avoca/Giraffes, Ross males and Trilogy males where all seen with Avoca females from mid to late 2015.
New evidence suggest that around 3 months prio December 2015, Avoca Giraffe males where still seen with and mating with Avoca females, in particulary WhiteFaced male.
Later they moved off, and Ross males and Trilogy males battled for Avocas until late 2016 when Ross males won, neither hurting the cubs.
In early to mid 2017 Ross males where hanging with Avocas and cubs (Johns pictures).
From that prob comes that they where sired by Ross males.
But as they fully grown ,they dont resemble Ross males in any way, neither Trilogies.
While they resemble Avoca/Giraffe , especially WhiteFaced A/G male.
