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Tiger Predation

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( This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 08:22 AM by Jimmy )

Some pics from Nepal's Bardiya National Park
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Wild life moment today watched a wild Bengal tiger stalk and chase a rhino mother and her calf ... unreal!! Both rhinos survived unscathed, but us wildlife watchers had to evacuate the area as the three animals came charging towards us and up the river bank where we were sitting

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slightly different angle by a guide Bhawany Kandel Baba

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Another one, looks like the same tiger stalking the same rhino in a different time, Bardiya

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( This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 10:25 AM by Rishi )

Ullas Karanth's words on tiger & the art of gaur-hunt. From an old article:

"After examining hundreds of tiger kills, I had concluded that all successful gaur hunts would begin with the tiger launching a lateral sneak attack. Then it would grapple the massive prey down to the ground, while trying to deliver a killing bite to its neck. The tiger would thus try to stay out of harm from dangerous horns and flailing hooves.

From 1990 to 1996, while doing the very first radio-telemetry study of tigers in India, I followed a young, rather obese male tiger nicknamed Das in honor of our portly camp cook. Das had also specialized in hunting gaur. Radio-tracking Das on foot one morning, I blundered close to a gaur cow, which he had apparently badly mauled. The wounded gaur angrily charged me, and I barely managed to escape. Later that night Das killed and ate her.

My camera trap research shows that even in Bandipur-Nagarahole’s protected population, about 20 percent of tigers are lost every year. Tigers die in conflict with humans or occasionally from poaching on the edges of Reserves, but more often than not they die fighting other tigers over mates, kills, or territories. Occasionally tigers also die from injuries sustained while hunting potentially dangerous prey.

One day in October 1991, after two years of radio-tracking Das, I homed in on his signals in the remoteness of his 50-square kilometer home range only to find his week-old, decayed carcass. Investigation of the flatted bushes, trampled grass, and huge hoof prints of a gaur at the site revealed that, for once, his predatory skills had failed Das. His addiction to hunting gaur had finally rendered the magnificent cat into a mere mortality statistic. As I watched the video, I hoped BPT-222 would be luckier.

(About Rajah's gaur hunt video)

Instead of pulling the female gaur down, he manipulates her neck with his powerful forelimbs and clamps down his vice-like jaws around her throat. Plunged in by the tiger’s powerful jaw muscles, his four 76 millimeter dagger-like canines bury deeply into her throat. The tiger then nimbly gets back on his feet, still facing the gaur. By tugging mightily in “reverse gear” he ensures her lethal hooves are helplessly grounded, and sharp horns pushed away from him. The tiger waits, almost calmly, jaws firmly locked in place, steadily choking the victim. Within three minutes the gaur topples, strangled to death. This tiger made neither a sneaky flank attack nor wrestled the prey down. His predatory skill makes the violent act seem almost peaceful."
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(09-09-2018, 10:16 AM)Rishi Wrote: Radio-tracking Das on foot one morning, I blundered close to a gaur cow, which he had apparently badly mauled. The wounded gaur angrily charged me, and I barely managed to escape. Later that night Das killed and ate her.

That mean that tiger mauled the gaur cow first night and killed her on the second night. That's virtually ends the discussion how long could (in some cases) continue hunting of big herbivore...
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Very persistent predator, no mercy ...
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 khumba with leopard cub kill
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"ssshhh...listen to the rain"...
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Tigress stalking elephant herd at nagarhole national park.




(09-01-2018, 06:36 PM)Suhail Wrote: A tiger meets herd of elephants in the beautiful landscape of periyar tiger reserve.



Another encounter with an elephant herd i posted recently.
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"ssshhh...listen to the rain"...
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Great footage @Rage2277 but as always the shot is always from the difficult angle, some errors at the defining moment of the hunt or camera shakes too bad Lol Grin however the proof is undeniable!!! incredible hunt!
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Many tigers, these days are crossing 250kg mark. And gaurs on average are 1000kg. Even up to 1250kg it is like 5 times their own weight. I have heard big cats can easily bring down prey that is 5 times their weight in a ngc document. In addition to this with element of surprise or with a striking bite to the top of neck with which the animal becomes motionless, the tiger seems to predate successfully on big game. With bite to top of neck, there is a case in which it killed rhino quickly.
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@parvez 
Gaurs come in many sizes,  most females aren’t super impressive and well within the capabilities of most Tigers I’ve seen, the same for Cape buffalos and Lions. It’s the big Bulls of either species that are ah inspiring, it makes you realize the true strength of these big cats. But those feats of strength are usually outliers.
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he must have attacked the gaur earlier..it seemed already immobilized in the vid..he just came too finish it off
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looks definitely like that, other gaurs are already in attendance keeping some distance  from the one that looked traumatized and unable to escape.
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(09-12-2018, 07:53 PM)Pckts Wrote: @parvez 
Gaurs come in many sizes,  most females aren’t super impressive and well within the capabilities of most Tigers I’ve seen, the same for Cape buffalos and Lions. It’s the big Bulls of either species that are ah inspiring, it makes you realize the true strength of these big cats. But those feats of strength are usually outliers.




Gaurs are bigger animals than cape buffaloes (on average and at maximum). When it comes to Big Bulls it's gaurs all the way. 
I see many people try to fit gaurs and cape buffaloes in the same weight category, that's totally wrong. It's just like downsizing gaurs.
We may compare water buffaloes to Gaurs but still they are smaller than gaurs.

Here is a comparison made by Roflcopters I guess (not sure though).
It gives us a rough idea on these animals.


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Im not sure who created that actually, also Cape Buffalos and Gaurs should never be used in the same sentence considering the massive size difference between the two. like @Jimmy said earlier, some of the most skilled gaur specialists or i should say almost all the gaur specialists tend to attack from the rear. usually targetting the rear legs, once the gaur is down. tigers either go for the finish or in some cases they would eat the gaur alive.



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excellent analysis of Raja’s gaur hunt video, Raja was a supreme predator and a very high ranked tiger in the world of tigers. I have read countless books, maybe almost majority of the books that are available to us and I have yet to read about a tiger as mighty as Raja. tigers for the most part avoid fighting to death, they usually like to fight it out and try to determine a victor. however the norm does not apply in parks where tiger density is high and less space for tigers to move around and relocate, conflict of interest is usually what results in a serious fight and in situations like these. only the strongest tiger survives most of the time: good example (the big four of Mukki) Kingfisher vs Chota Munna vs Bheema vs Umarpani, there were numerous battles between these four males but in the end. both Kingfisher and Bheema were eventually killed by Umarpani, it wasn’t the first or second fight that got rid of them. It was the increasing pressure that Umarpani felt violated his repeated warnings. the end result was inevitable, people knew someone would lose a life eventually. kingfisher was killed first, followed by Bheema. now both CM and Umarpani have a divided kingdom. that’s still two deaths linked to Umarpani and that earns him a fierce reputation. Raja, on the other hand is the only male i know that killed six rivals to retain his position. he thrived in a very high density park for nearly a decade untouched and undisputed, he was arguably the king of the South and he also had the biggest territory in Bandipur. It was only towards the end of 2015, when Basavanakatte applied some pressure to bag some of Raja’s prized territory and both father and son duo had a big piece of the pie within Bandipur tourism zone and some areas outside of the tourism zone. few months prior to Raja’s poaching incident, Raja was constantly following Kanana Darari male’s movements in an effort to intercept him and to possibly fight him. he had previously fought the intruder and beat him. I have no doubt in my mind that this encounter could have turned bloody. oh well, too bad Raja couldn’t escape the human assassins that were out to get him. over the years, Raja made many headlines. the female gaur killing video being one of them, also that video of Raja taking on domestic cattles that went viral. unlike the other Southern Tigers that are known to be camera-shy and highly elusive, Raja was used to the human presence and was exception to the rule. safe to say, he was the trend setter from the South. the only other male i could think of was the late Mastgudi male of Nagarhole, ironically he also died in a tragic accident. Basavanakatte male aka BSK aka Madhesha aka Gowri Shankar will hopefully fill the void in the coming years, he has been really good so far. just my two cents. 
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