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The Mighty Mapogos
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 (06-07-2022, 10:02 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Does anyone have a report or confirmed information about the clash of the Robson Males ( Stompie & One-Eye ) with the Mlowathi in 2010? I belive if such actions really would take place, they would be reported in Mala Mala reports and since they haven't been, I do not think such events took place. I have no idea where from such claims of such confrontation even came from.  (06-04-2022, 09:46 PM)Mabingilane Wrote:(06-04-2022, 02:27 PM)Dirkl Wrote: Two brothers patroling together always, but one night one was left alone and was attacked by 3 other lions. Where was his brother ? Ask rangers. It was recovering from dart. Later on darted brother was killed too and while he was still recovering from dart.Please stop. Nobody was darted. That was a lie made up by uneducated fans in 2016. Nobody back in 2010 and/ 2012 ever thought this. It was only when they appeared on TV documentaries that all these "new fans" came out of the woodwork pretending to be experts. But really they understand anything about nature. (06-07-2022, 04:01 PM)Potato Wrote:(06-07-2022, 10:02 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Does anyone have a report or confirmed information about the clash of the Robson Males ( Stompie & One-Eye ) with the Mlowathi in 2010? I see, but wasn't it mentioned that most Mala Mala reports got deleted? @fursan syed also claimed that this happened in this very thread: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-the-mig...os?page=21 #310 A similar story to the other post. But anyway, what about this other claim by fursan, post #309 The Fall of a dominant Blonde Golf Course Male (the half brother of Mr T and Kinky Tail) and Father of (Selati male lion coalition). December 2009 Mr T and Kinky tail killed the Dominant blonde golf course male near air strip and injured the other golf course male. who was seen again in end of 2009 badly limping. Any info on that? Also, and if it's not really reliable, would be the case then that people just made up this incident as well as the one with the Robson Males? 
If you use the wayback machine you can find MalaMalas old reports, unfortunately the pages for the Golf Course males and Mapogo males for the year 2009 weren't saved.
For 2010 there's no mention of a clash with any other Male lions apart from the Majingilane. August 2010 (0 sightings) - (8 years 9 months) This male has not been seen at all this month and was only seen once last month, there are confirmed reports that he has joined his older brothers in the west and that he has even taken the more dominant role there. Although it seems unlikely now that he will return with his brothers, maybe as he takes control to the west and becomes more dominant he might look to expand back west into his old hunting ground.
July 2010 (1 sighting) - (8 years 8 months)
June 2010This male was seen only once this month, with his brother having been killed by the 4 KNP males he spent a little time with the Marthly pride in the very north-west section of the property, before the 4 males caught up with them there and killed a sub-adult female from the Marthly pride and chased the pride and the Mlowathi male west. Since then he has joined up with his 3 older brothers in the west and taken the dominant role he has always held. He has killed some of his brother’s cubs and taken control over one of their prides. Once he settles into this new coalition it will be very interesting to see if he will bring his brothers east again to try and reclaim his territory that he seems to have given up to the 4 new males. (8 years 7 months): (10 sightings)
It has been a very interesting and difficult month for this coalition. They started off the month as strong as ever, roaring and mating in the northern parts of Mala Mala, then the 5 males from KNP came in and started challenging them. The two Mlowathi males went north and caught one of the male killing him. A few days later the remaining 4 KNP male returned and they managed to find the one Mlowathi male (Kinky tail) by himself and they returned the favour killing him and wounding the second Mlowathi male. This all happened in the first two weeks of the month and the rest of the month saw mostly a roaring contest between the remaining Mlowathi male and the 4 KNP males. The Mlowathi male has since recovered from his injuries and towards the end of the month settled with the Marthly pride eating two buffalo with them as he regained strength. However the 4 young males wanted the last say and caught up with the Marthly pride, killing 4 sub-adults and chasing the Mlowathi male off. The last we heard was that the Mlowathi male was with his three older Eyrefield brother to the west of Mala Mala, it will be very interesting if they will come across and challenge the 4 KNP males, it happened before with the Split Rock males. May 2010 (8 years 6 months): (13 sightings)
The boys were erratic this month with them spending very few consecutive days on the property. They were often on their own which provided excellent viewing at night at the roared most nights. On the occasions they were with females it was always members of the Styx pride and it always seemed to be the male with the kink in his tail. Towards the end of the month the same male was found mating with the youngest member of the Styx pride around the Mlowathi river. The pair mated for several days which is a good indication that it’s for reproductive purposes and not a false oestrus to placate the male. The male with the Mohawk spent most of the month on his own but he also went west a lot probably to join up with the Marthly pride while his brother tried to woe the Styx pride. Let’s hope the pride accepts the males and the males calm their aggressive nature towards the sub adults. April 2010 2 Mlowathi Males (8 years 6 months): (15 sightings)
Although these big males have been seen regularly this month they have not been on the property for a lengthy period of time. They have mostly been seen coming on and off of the property up at Mlowathi Dam on our northern boundary. They have been spending a lot of time with the Styx lionesses and seem to be trying to establish themselves at the dominant males over the Styx pride. They are still chasing the sub adults from the pride but the adult females seem to have settled with the Mlowathi males and accepted them. The Mlowathi males have not shown interest in moving east at all to go and challenge and chase off the 5 new males that seem to be trying to set up territory to the east. This probably due to the fact that these 5 new males have not been seen scenting or heard roaring and this is probably due to the fact that the new males are not mature enough or big enough to challenge the Mlowathi males yet. Until them the Mlowathi males still are the Dominant males in the north. March 2010 • 2 Mlowathi Males (8 years 4 months): (30 sightings)
A very good month of sightings for these two males. Been present for almost every day of the month. Their movements took them from the Mlowathi dam in the north to Kapen open area in the middle, a substantial amount of real estate. Most of their time however was centred around the Mlowathi, the new airstrip and Piccadilly triangle. Both males also spent a substantial amount of time with two of the Styx lionesses mating. Hopefully this time they will produce a litter that will survive. Mentioned in the Styx prides report was the interaction that these two sets of lions had. The sighting proving that the males are still intent on taking dominance over the whole pride by killing off the four younger ones. February 2010 Success has come in small doses for these males so far. For such a completely dominant pair they have yet to produce a single cub or take complete control of any pride. The only pride under their complete dominance is the Marthly pride but this pride gets very little attention from the males has their attentions are taken by the prospect of more prides. The reality is that neither the Styx pride or the Eyrefield pride have accepted them and have gone into hiding leaving the males to bounce between the two Styx females in the Mlowathi and the two Eyrefield females around the airstrip. Besides ripping our lion prides apart these two males have to prove their worth and one begins to wonder if they ever will. Lets hope with all the mating they have been doing this month that cubs are just around the corner because otherwise we might be faced with a situation where the two prides will split which would be the worst scenario for the lion population. Janiary 2010 • 2 Mlowathi Males (8 years 2 months): (13 sightings) Having dominated the northern parts of mala mala or sometime now these two brothers have decided to expand once again, this time they set their target on their natal pride the Eyrefield pride. Perhaps ego or coincidence but the Eyrefield pride is also attracting a lot of attention from the golf course males and so these two have also decided they want a piece. This being their natal pride any dominance over this pride would be considered inbreeding by human standards but luckily their lions. First generation inbreeding has no side effects and any resulting cubs should grow up without any problems, as is with the Selati pride. So lets see what happens, now that they have left the Styx pride alone they might come back or if they successfully incorporate the Eyrefield pride into their huge territory we might see more of that pride and more cubs. Interesting times lie ahead of this powerful coalition, are they expanding to much and how successful will the pride be at raising their cubs if they are never around to provide protection. (06-08-2022, 02:52 AM)Tonpa Wrote: If you use the wayback machine you can find MalaMalas old reports, unfortunately the pages for the Golf Course males and Mapogo males for the year 2009 weren't saved. Interesting regarding the June report when it says: The last we heard was that the Mlowathi male was with his three older Eyrefield brother to the west of Mala Mala, it will be very interesting if they will come across and challenge the 4 KNP males, it happened before with the Split Rock males. If I understand correctly it's saying that in the past the Mlowathi brought the Western Mapogos to fight the Split Rock Males? Or are they referring to something else? If so, what? Only similar situation I know of 3 was when the Western Mapogos showed up in August 2008 to help the Mlowathi agaisnt the Styx Pride. 
This is an advertisement for the Lodge, but you do get some footage of the Mapogos as well as many of their cubs and a few lionesses. Of particular interest is a quick scene around the 1:30 mark that shows what has to be either Othawa M or T relaxing with Father/Uncles.
Savannna_Cut_2011_V3_1280x720.mp4 - YouTube
If someone has already posted this, let me know and I'll delete it.
Lions Roaring Savanna Private Game Reserve - YouTube (06-08-2022, 07:21 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Interesting regarding the June report when it says: From the way I read it, it's saying that in the past one one of the split rock males was chased from his territory and then brought his brothers back with him to help. Presumably by the West Street Males. 
[video=youtube]https://https://youtu.be/yfhCao1UyHo[/video] I always try and listen to what the rangers say .Most definitely not the first time the Mapogo have eaten fully grown male lion and cubs . 
Aside from the fact that there were still 4 siblings, when the effects returned Mr. T, there is nowhere that he became dominant, indeed, there are videos of him flat-eared for fear of his siblings, and some reports where he ran away from Makhulu for having done some trouble, as well as being passive in pseudo homosexual relationships, which males in coalition usually put into practice to establish dominance.
(06-08-2022, 06:52 PM)Gabriele Wrote: being passive in pseudo homosexual relationships, which males in coalition usually put into practice to establish dominanceThat look very much like a myth actualy that mock mating are form of establishing dominance. Mock mating seems to be rather form of bonding. We could see less dominant males mock mating the more dominant ones.
From Londolozi Blog, 5 july:
– In the early hours of the night a lot of roaring could be heard north of the river in Marthly. A couple of guys went out at around 5am to investigate and were amazed to watch the 5 Mapogo moving through the clearings calling as they walked. They had come from the west and had moved onto Londolozi, the first time the brothers have been together as a unite at Londolozi for many many months. The excitement continued as they proceeded to run into the bush just south of Ximpalapala Koppie and catch a sub-adult Buffalo. It was amazing to watch this incredible coalition act as a group again. Having had few experiences with the four brothers (besides from Mohawk) I was amazed to see how big they were. They are incredible and size wise they dwarf Mohawk, something which I never thought possible. I also couldn’t help but notice that Mohawk was somewhat sidelined from the rest at the feeding frenzy. Could it be that he had gone west to summon the help of his brothers and in the process now takes on a slightly more submissive role? I guess we will have to watch this dynamic unfold as well. (06-10-2022, 07:13 PM)Gabriele Wrote: From Londolozi Blog, 5 july: It's quite interesting to think how the guides contradict each other regarding size, some say X is bigger, some say they are equal in size, and so on. From videos of them together, my impression is that they all have the same height, Makhulu and Dreadlocks were a bit longer and much bulkier.
Can someone identify who was the male Mr.T attacks on 9:12? And the one who shows up to save him from the Mapogo?
Two were still attacking KT, and there's a close-up on two of them at 9:06 ( neither is SN ). There's a flash of the third who was standing at 9:19-9:20 and he looks suspiciously like SN, and was the one who went to help the other brother, but who was the brother fighting Mohawk?
And one more question, do we know who sired the Mhangene pride? Was it the Mlowathi or the western Mapogos?
All mapogos mated with the females during 2008. However, all the cubs born in 2008 died at different times.
The mlowathi males were mating with the females in the tail end of 2008 & early 2009 and the females were born in 2009 to different litters. |
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