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I counted 9 overall in the clip, plus there could be an adult or two in it.
 (07-31-2024, 07:22 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: I counted 9 overall in the clip, plus there could be an adult or two in it. I have rewatched the clip 3 times, and each time I count 10 (excluding the 3 females)... think it's a bit tedious to break it down, but after cubs 6 and 7 appear, another one appears from the right, followed by 2 more behind (who are following the same path of the first 7). I appreciate Omega's efforts in documenting this, but in the video I clearly see 10. (07-31-2024, 07:33 PM)Vengeous Wrote:(07-31-2024, 07:22 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: I counted 9 overall in the clip, plus there could be an adult or two in it. yes. I do too. here are two images I screen Captioned to show all ten as framed. there's seven you see in one frame.....as those seven get closer to the vehicle (and as #10 boy walks between his sibling) , the camera pans to the right reveling 8, 9 and at a distance 10.
Okay, are you sure they are all the subs? Not an adult among those? Even if so, doesn't mean one is gone or anything. Hard to discern without pausing video and analysing it.
(08-01-2024, 07:49 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: Okay, are you sure they are all the subs? Not an adult among those? Even if so, doesn't mean one is gone or anything. Hard to discern without pausing video and analysing it. yes. im sure. the three adults moved ahead of them. but you can play the video and give it a look....extra eyes help. but Ive watched several times and feel confident i saw 12 members....even Tumbela is seen in the far distance trailling
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Omega Godi posted a story clip earlier and after watching it at least five times lol, I counted 10 cubs following two of the lionesses.
Nine (9) here.  *This image is copyright of its original author The tenth (10th) cub is what the cub in the middle is looking at. Here it is.  *This image is copyright of its original author *Video added if anyone wants to count for themselves*
One of the cubs has a huuuge bump/lump/growth or whatever it is.
Edit: Ok I did some research, first of I found that the cubs had this thing on their elbows for a long time now, here 2 of the cubs with it in January:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Some of them have smaller lumps, other bigger lumps, some don't have it at all. Researching the causes of it, I found a paper associating TB to elbow hygromas:  *This image is copyright of its original author Source: https://repository.up.ac.za/bitstream/ha...sequence=1 But it associates it to various degrees of hindlimb atrophy and lameness ( stuff we see with Lambile, Tumbelas, Nkhulus ), it doesn't match the cubs that have elbow hygromas in their forelimbs and they don't limp at all. Another one though says that a subadult lion had 3 elbow hygromas believed to be caused by mycobacterium bovis:  *This image is copyright of its original author Only one among many others that also tested positive. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16553146/ What I found more similar was this, an elbow hygroma in a dog:  *This image is copyright of its original author The article describes it as: The usual patient for this condition is a short-haired large breed dog, usually of an adolescent age, brought to the veterinarian for assessment of a fluid-filled swelling at the point of one or both elbows. The swelling is generally non-painful but can be quite bulbous and bizarre-looking. It says it doesn't affect the animal if it is an uncomplicated hygroma:  *This image is copyright of its original author It can get infected and become a complicated hygroma where surgical drainage becomes necessary:  *This image is copyright of its original author Source: https://www.marvistavet.com/elbow-hygroma.pml However, since these cubs have been living normally with those things for more than half a year while displaying no signs of physical weaknesses I think they have uncomplicated hygromas. Edit²: The Makhulu Mapogo, one of the forefathers of the pride, also had a big elbow lump as a subadult:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Still he grew up to be one of the healthiest lions out there, and very strong, so possibily these things on the cubs can go away and/or not affect their lives.
“It’s been a great few weeks for the Mhangene pride!
A few months back the 10 cubs were not looking in the best shape, but the last 6 weeks has seen them gorging on prey like Hippos, multiple Buffalo and the usual plains game. The future seems bright again for this powerhouse pride ? @dulinilodge “ (08-02-2024, 05:52 PM)Mapokser Wrote: One of the cubs has a huuuge bump/lump/growth or whatever it is. Another example could be Mohawk Avoca, he sometimes too has huge lumps on his elbow/s but after a month or two its completly gone, only to appear again after some time, it doesnt seem to affect him at all also
Possibly up to 3 or more cubs lost because Manghenis were trying to flee from Tumbela, something that would have never happened if PCM were doing their job.
Such a terrible timing for this pride they’ve had juts terrible luck after terrible luck after terrible luck my goodness just when the pride was on the up the leaders of the pride pass away I think that may have been worse than the plains camp males leaving them for literally no reason I mean they’re still in the west just they don’t visit the mhangenis it’s just so sad how this pride continues to get neglected first the Birmingham males now plains camp males my heart goes out to them
(08-05-2024, 06:43 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Possibly up to 3 or more cubs lost because Manghenis were trying to flee from Tumbela, something that would have never happened if PCM were doing their job. Some people were defending the Tumbela male lion. Why would they want to be around him. They have many cubs and the male lion just comes and eats their hard work. It is making me think if it is something similar happened with the Plain camp male lions. Maybe the Mahangeni lionesses were not interested in the Palin camp male lions eating when they have many cubs. |
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