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Mangheni Pride

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( This post was last modified: 07-24-2024, 10:36 PM by Duco Ndona )

I don't think there is something as normal behaviour here. Unless perhaps you favour the typical textbook example of lion behaviour.

Some males are born with strong home instinct. So they stay around their prides seeking no expansion like the Tumbellas. 
There are those that like to explore rather than establishing territories and find opportunities that way like Nym does. 
Others are more in between. They constantly explore the edge of their territories for better opportunities to shift or expand to. 

The advantage of staying home is that by constantly sticking around, their presence helps defends the cubs giving them a good chance to make it. However if they are overthrown, their entire genetic legacy will be wiped out in mere days.
While the wandering lion, if he plays it right, can father multiple cubs with several prides. However by not sticking around his absence will make it harder for cubs to make it to adulthood. 

Unfortunately, the PCmales are largely going for the later approach. They have cubs with 4 or 5 prides now. Giving them a good chance of raising at least some offspring to adulthood.
However, most of these prides are currently not being given the protection they need and are wide open for takeovers. Luckily so far most of the other resident males are more interested in immediate survival than take overs.. However if a more aggressive male were to arrive in western sector we might be in for a carnage under the cubs that aren't living in their favourite pride.
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@Mapokser 

Stop saying something i never said..

I never said it was GOOD or BENEFITIAL behavior, aswell as i never said that this ALWAYS happens.

I am just saying this is nothing unusual and pretty normal behaviour for strong coalitions, for which you agree.

Also it happens more often then not.

And again, if males and coalitions care so much off success of their offspring, they wouldnt abandon them at those points, but they do.

And yes, males functions like that, they will without a problem ditch their young offspring if new opportunities arise.

And that not "failing their job", thats how things are.
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PMs, folks. Can we now move along with the conversation at hand, please?
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I deleted a post, in response top this lengthy conversation, which I asked that we move on from. When one of the Mods ask that we move on, then I would ask that we do so, without anyone feeling the need to drop in the last word. Moving forward, doing so could lead to someone being placed on the watch list, or temporarily banned. Thank you, for your understanding!
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Savanna guys think Tinya is one of the biggest females around:


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Also Tumbela still following them:


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Bboy daughter is much bigger than the Majingilane daughters, she had a good life, Majingi daughters struggled a lot from a young age, maybe this played a role, their Kambula sisters had a good life and turned out to all be big as well.

Anyone remember who's the mother of Bboy daughter? Was her one of the 2 who died recently or was it the one who died in 2022? I know the mother of cub #10 isn't the mother, and also not the first one to die, but I'm not sure between the other 2 who's the mother of the younger Mangheni female.
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Great to see the granddaughter of BB doing well!  Big girl, like both sides of her family.

Anybody know which BBoy mated with the Mangheni back when she was born? Not all of the coalition? Just Tinyo and one other?
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The second one to die I think they called her super mom that’s Tinyas mother
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It has been recently brought to light that BB was the mom to 2/4 Mangheni Lionesses. Her daughters had the other two.... I think they were Good/Bad Teeth, the last two survivors. These last 2 were ID'd in pictures with the pride when BB was denning with her cubs. 


So, the last 2 were probably closer to each other... The earliest to die ran off with the Mangheni 12 and soon disappeared, and the other was the mom of Big Boy, his sister, and Tinya
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(07-29-2024, 10:03 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: It has been recently brought to light that BB was the mom to 2/4 Mangheni Lionesses. Her daughters had the other two.... I think they were Good/Bad Teeth, the last two survivors. These last 2 were ID'd in pictures with the pride when BB was denning with her cubs. 


So, the last 2 were probably closer to each other... The earliest to die ran off with the Mangheni 12 and soon disappeared, and the other was the mom of Big Boy, his sister, and Tinya

Super mom
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Only 9 cubs again according to the guide, this sucks.

@Cath2020 do you have the source for this? ID of Manghenis with BB in the den?

Elephant Plains says that 2 Manghenis were her daughters, but Londolozi says all 4 belonged to the 2 younger Tsalalas.

They had 8 cubs if I'm not mistaken and the Majingilane killed 4 of them, I'm not sure it's fully possible to know which cubs belonged to which lionesses after so long.
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(07-30-2024, 08:18 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Only 9 cubs again according to the guide, this sucks.

@Cath2020 do you have the source for this? ID of Manghenis with BB in the den?

Elephant Plains says that 2 Manghenis were her daughters, but Londolozi says all 4 belonged to the 2 younger Tsalalas.

They had 8 cubs if I'm not mistaken and the Majingilane killed 4 of them, I'm not sure it's fully possible to know which cubs belonged to which lionesses after so long.

Diff said he had 10 cubs at his sighting this morning..who said only 9?
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Diff said it on his instagram post, he was asked if they were 10 cubs and he replied "9".
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(07-30-2024, 09:59 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Diff said it on his instagram post, he was asked if they were 10 cubs and he replied "9".

Watched several times and I count 10 in the video posted by Omega. Give it a look please.
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