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KM600 · 12-02-2024, 02:28 PM

(12-02-2024, 12:21 PM)Mabande Wrote: Had a question: where did the Kruger male currently with the S Avoca come from? Is he the same guy that was the Torchwood and Fourways pride male 2-3 years back? Was he chased away by the Mantimahle males? And the Imbali pride is currently controlled by the Mantinahles right?

Yes he did control them prides along with his brother, after his brother disappeared he stayed with Torchwood Pride but the Mantimahle sons and 5th Mantimahle male ended up pushing North after being chased by both Southern Avocas after failing to reclaim old Mantimahle territory.

5th Mantimahle then disappeared and both sons eventually ended up taking over Torchwood Pride by that time, or atleast causing a split. While all this was happening, Kruger Male ended up being seen more on the Sabi Sands boundary with Manyeleti within the last year, he prolly sensed the Mantimahle sons and realised he was outnumbered, he also sired cubs in Torchwood Pride so wanted new females. He was seen mating with Imbali females and even had cubs but none of them survived.

Skip forward a few months and then the 4 Kambula males come across the Imbali females and wanted to mate with them before focusing on Nkuhuma Pride. They chased Kruger Male who was once again outnumbered and he become a nomad. Just so happens that around the time he become a nomad, the remaining S.Avoca had come North for the first time in numerous years, since entering Sabi Sands as a young male even, and this is how they met.

Imbali Pride just mate with whatever males they come across, myself and a few others believe Mantimahle males prolly chased the Kambula males in Manyeleti causing them to leave the Imbali females, but no interaction was ever seen. So are Mantimahles the pride males of Imbali Pride this very second, no, but is it looking like they will be in the future, yes.

Potato · 12-02-2024, 02:30 PM

(12-02-2024, 12:21 PM)Mabande Wrote: Had a question: where did the Kruger male currently with the S Avoca come from? Is he the same guy that was the Torchwood and Fourways pride male 2-3 years back?

Yes

(12-02-2024, 12:21 PM)Mabande Wrote: Was he chased away by the Mantimahle males?

His brother died and then Mantimahles ousted ramaining Kruger male.

(12-02-2024, 12:21 PM)Mabande Wrote: And the Imbali pride is currently controlled by the Mantinahles right?

As far as I remember nor Imbali pride nor Imbali breakaway pride (which residents in southern Manyeleti) has currently pride male or dominant coalition.

(12-02-2024, 12:50 PM)Dreadlocks Wrote: S Avoca and Kruger male at Sabi sabi

It would be awesome for them if they could link up with Talamati and Nkuchuma male. Separatelly they have rather poor odds to became dominant coalition. In coalition of 4 however that would be a whole different story.

Friarfan619 · 12-02-2024, 03:31 PM

(12-02-2024, 02:30 PM)Potato Wrote:
(12-02-2024, 12:21 PM)Mabande Wrote: Had a question: where did the Kruger male currently with the S Avoca come from? Is he the same guy that was the Torchwood and Fourways pride male 2-3 years back?
Yes

(12-02-2024, 12:21 PM)Mabande Wrote: Was he chased away by the Mantimahle males?
His brother died and then Mantimahles ousted ramaining Kruger male.

(12-02-2024, 12:21 PM)Mabande Wrote: And the Imbali pride is currently controlled by the Mantinahles right?
As far as I remember nor Imbali pride nor Imbali breakaway pride (which residents in southern Manyeleti) has currently pride male or dominant coalition.

(12-02-2024, 12:50 PM)Dreadlocks Wrote: S Avoca and Kruger male at Sabi sabi
It would be awesome for them if they could link up with Talamati and Nkuchuma male. Separatelly they have rather poor odds to became dominant coalition. In coalition of 4 however that would be a whole different story.

Khanya unknowingly spending time with all his uncle seems cool to me lol

Tr1x24 · 12-02-2024, 04:26 PM

(12-02-2024, 03:31 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: . I forget is amahle older brother?

Despite how we believed previously, both males are around same age, if not littermates, Amahle is just bigger male overall and had developed bigger mane earlier (same as for example K4 looked much more developed early on with bigger mane than his littermates K3 and K5).

Here we can see 3 males as ~2 yrs old subs, they look pretty much same age (maybe weeks/month or so difference) :

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Tr1x24 · 12-02-2024, 04:34 PM

(12-02-2024, 07:51 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 wasn't Eorenji charging in front of his brother? Guide even mentions it IIRC, also it doesn't seem he was limping at all.

I'm not sure splitting was a strategic move, I think Eorenji, being more aggressive/confident currently ( see him winning the last mating rights disputes ) made him overextend ( same way and reason guides said DM Majingi was temporarily caught by S.Matimbas ), then when PCM turned and charged, Eorenji couldn't run in the same direction as his brother, they lacked some coordination there due to Eorebji overextending.

After watching it again idk, maybe it was OE afterall.

sunless · 12-02-2024, 05:47 PM

Elephant Plains Weekly Big 5 Sightings 25 November – 1 December 2024

Monday, 25 November 2024
*One Kambula male lion feeding on a giraffe carcass on the Southern side of Arathusa Safari Airstrip.
*Nkuhuma pride of lions consisting of four individuals stationary at Simbambili Dam.

Tuesday, 26 November 2024
*Three Kambula male lions stationary at Mehluane Southern Open Area.
*One Black Dam male lion stationary at Mehluane Northern Open Area.

Wednesday, 27 November 2024
*Three Kambula male lions and five Nkuhuma lioness stationary at Second Windmill.

Thursday, 28 November 2024
*Two Plains Camp male lions mobile South on Elephant Plains Airstrip.

Friday, 29 November 2024
*Three Kambula male lions and one Nkuhuma lioness stationary on Magic Willie.

Saturday, 30 November 2024
*Three Kambula males and one Nkuhuma lioness stationary on Central Junction 15th.

Sunday, 1 December 2024
*Two Ndzhenga male lions stationary North of Londolozi Boundary.

Source: https://elephantplains.co.za/big-5-blog/2024/12/weekly-big-5-sightings-25-november-1-december-2024/

~~Bruh what~~ · 12-02-2024, 08:40 PM

I've got something that is quite related to Sabi Sands. This was a while ago that we got this information.

*This image is copyright of its original author

couple of things: 1- when he says "it's really hard to say wether the gut was completely empty" we can assume from this that the Lion had minimal meat contents,because if it he had noticeable content or was full,the vet wouldn't have said "it's really hard to say wether the gut was **completely** empty" implying that the Lion may have ha minimal content (5kg?).

2- When the vet says "other male lions had weighed up to 320kg" he's referring to captive specimens that he weighed,I won't show those messages to keep it short and neat as possible.

The question remains,wich Sabi Sands Lion could've weighed 275-280kg on an empty stomach? Maybe Hairy belly? Ginger? Guess we won't know,or maybe it was a lesser known lion that migrated into Sabi sands shortly from kruger and was a big boy.

But it's really cool that We have a confirmed weight of a legit monster from this area from a veterinarian,thought you guys would really appreciate it and now we know Sabi sands lions get to massive sizes as well.

DE_66 · 12-03-2024, 02:04 PM

(12-01-2024, 05:05 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-01-2024, 04:33 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: The Ndzengas seemed to have the upper hand until they split up for some reason. Then it seemed that the PC males sensed the other two were no longer together, and tried to catch one of them on their own.

That very well might be a tactic/bait.

You try to split them by "lure" 1 individual (usually more confident and stronger) to make a fatal mistake and overchase them without waiting for his partners.

When you see they are split and another member are further behind, you turn and try to grab that pushing member, by the time 2nd male comes (if he doesnt retreat), you are in big advantage, as you already have 1 member down in favorable position.

Many cases of this, most famous KT/MrT vs Majingilanes.

This also shows how complex these clashes are, and why some coalition, who might even have number advantage, are struggling.

Strong duo is hard to beat, they will "play you" around, confuse you, get you tired, be patient and wait for 1 member to make fatal mistake.

Are you referring to them killing the 5th Majingi or the remaining Majingis killing KT? T was 15 minutes away. Two Majinigis did sneak up behind KT, but where had they been? Just wating to ambush KT? Returning from trying to find T? The two biggest lion mysteries I wish I could solve are where the F was the Mr. T and are Jr Majingi and his half brothers still alive.

I do think this tactic has been used successfully against the Mbiri Males. Can't say for sure as there's no videos of their fights, but Mohawk/Shaka always ends up with more injuries. I think he gets lured away during the chase and ZigZag shows up and "rescues" him.

DE_66 · 12-03-2024, 02:21 PM

(12-02-2024, 01:23 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-01-2024, 08:30 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I'm just a little bit worried that the Ndhzengas got split and almost caught, I wouldn't expect it to happen, it's very dangerous when it happens, ideally if they were going go retreat, they'd have to do it side by side like PCM were doing, so they'd always have the option to help each other out.

Thats questionable aswell.

Spliting when you are being chased also has its advantages.

1. Helping other members - EO was obviously lagging behind Amahle, he had pawn injury week or so ago (so thats prob a reason), with Amahle spliting and attracting both males, he maybe saved EO getting caught by faster males.

2. Splitting/confusing opponents to gain advantage in losing scenario - with spliting, you want confuse and preferably split pursuing males, then if you can reunite with your bro soner, you can potentially have 2vs1 and caught 1 of the males alone

I remember when 2 Bboys chased young Ndhzengas, Amahle split in similar fashion, what he succeeded is to split Tinyo and Nhenha, Nhenha pursuit him and that was 1vs1, while Tinyo went after 3 Ndhzengas, thats 1 vs 3.

So what that Amahle split did, he basically "neutralized" any potential that Bboys caught one of them in a 2vs1, unless he gets caught and bested in 1vs1, and i dont think its coinciedence that he as strongest member was the one to split.

Also he pretty much set his brothers a 3vs1 scenario, but they didnt capitalized.

As @KM600 said, duo who are charging in together is hard to deal with, even when you have more numbers, so you kinda want them to split.

So, as we might saw PCMs using tactic of luring males in overextending, then turning on overextending male, we also might saw Ndhzengas using tactic to split and confuse charging duo with spliting themselves, as they prob know they are not favorites to win in a straight 2vs2 brawl.

The Thandi Impi Males also successfully used this tactic against the Avoca/Giraffes. Skorro split off and started roaring to give Sizanani and the pride time to escape.

Southern Matimbas used it successfully against the Majingis. HB gave Ginger time to escape but was briefly caught if I remember correctly. I for sure remember that Londolozi ranger who was a big time Majingilane fan basically clowned the Matimbas for not going out in a 4v2 blaze of glory, but I respect HB for saving his brother and living to fight another day.

HB did it again vs the Northern Avocas except he was caught or decided to turn and fight. It's a miracle he survived 3v1 at that age. If the Kambula Males ever develop the bond that HB and Ginger had, they will be unstoppable! But it might be harder for larger coalitions to all get that close. You mentioned "coalition within a coaliton" in a previous post. 4 of the 5 Mantimahles stuck together pretty well, though. Hopefully the Kambulas will figure it out.

DE_66 · 12-03-2024, 02:24 PM

(12-02-2024, 05:46 AM)KM600 Wrote: Khanya - second slide
NK - third slide

It might be the angle, but Khanya is looking as "hefty" as Ceasar Notchson in that pic.

KM600 · 12-03-2024, 02:29 PM

(12-03-2024, 02:24 PM)DE_66 Wrote:
(12-02-2024, 05:46 AM)KM600 Wrote: Khanya - second slide
NK - third slide

It might be the angle, but Khanya is looking as "hefty" as Ceasar Notchson in that pic.

It’s not the angle, he’s just got a full stomach from eating. It also looks like NK mane may be starting to grow in that photo.

KM600 · 12-03-2024, 02:36 PM

(12-03-2024, 02:21 PM)DE_66 Wrote:
(12-02-2024, 01:23 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-01-2024, 08:30 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I'm just a little bit worried that the Ndhzengas got split and almost caught, I wouldn't expect it to happen, it's very dangerous when it happens, ideally if they were going go retreat, they'd have to do it side by side like PCM were doing, so they'd always have the option to help each other out.

Thats questionable aswell.

Spliting when you are being chased also has its advantages.

1. Helping other members - EO was obviously lagging behind Amahle, he had pawn injury week or so ago (so thats prob a reason), with Amahle spliting and attracting both males, he maybe saved EO getting caught by faster males.

2. Splitting/confusing opponents to gain advantage in losing scenario - with spliting, you want confuse and preferably split pursuing males, then if you can reunite with your bro soner, you can potentially have 2vs1 and caught 1 of the males alone

I remember when 2 Bboys chased young Ndhzengas, Amahle split in similar fashion, what he succeeded is to split Tinyo and Nhenha, Nhenha pursuit him and that was 1vs1, while Tinyo went after 3 Ndhzengas, thats 1 vs 3.

So what that Amahle split did, he basically "neutralized" any potential that Bboys caught one of them in a 2vs1, unless he gets caught and bested in 1vs1, and i dont think its coinciedence that he as strongest member was the one to split.

Also he pretty much set his brothers a 3vs1 scenario, but they didnt capitalized.

As @KM600 said, duo who are charging in together is hard to deal with, even when you have more numbers, so you kinda want them to split.

So, as we might saw PCMs using tactic of luring males in overextending, then turning on overextending male, we also might saw Ndhzengas using tactic to split and confuse charging duo with spliting themselves, as they prob know they are not favorites to win in a straight 2vs2 brawl.

The Thandi Impi Males also successfully used this tactic against the Avoca/Giraffes. Skorro split off and started roaring to give Sizanani and the pride time to escape.

Southern Matimbas used it successfully against the Majingis. HB gave Ginger time to escape but was briefly caught if I remember correctly. I for sure remember that Londolozi ranger who was a big time Majingilane fan basically clowned the Matimbas for not going out in a 4v2 blaze of glory, but I respect HB for saving his brother and living to fight another day.

HB did it again vs the Northern Avocas except he was caught or decided to turn and fight. It's a miracle he survived 3v1 at that age. If the Kambula Males ever develop the bond that HB and Ginger had, they will be unstoppable! But it might be harder for larger coalitions to all get that close. You mentioned "coalition within a coaliton" in a previous post. 4 of the 5 Mantimahles stuck together pretty well, though. Hopefully the Kambulas will figure it out.

I actually think the Northern Avocas used that tactic on HB instead of the other way round, all 3 retreated to a bush line, HB got too confident and tried to see them off, very lucky he didn’t die from that beating. Thinking about it now, maybe that’s why he didn’t defend too hard against the 3 skittish Tumbela males, he remembered that past interaction.

sunless · 12-03-2024, 04:38 PM

Ximhungwe Pride

sunless · 12-03-2024, 07:00 PM

SBDM stole an impala kill from a leopard.

Credits to Nkorho Bush Lodge Instagram
Below is the link for the IG Story:
https://www.instagram.com/stories/nkorhobushlodge/3514654336117010706/

BA0701 · 12-03-2024, 07:18 PM

(12-02-2024, 08:40 PM)Bruh what Wrote: I've got something that is quite related to Sabi Sands. This was a while ago that we got this information.

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author
couple of things: 1- when he says "it's really hard to say wether the gut was completely empty" we can assume from this that the Lion had minimal meat contents,because if it he had noticeable content or was full,the vet wouldn't have said "it's really hard to say wether the gut was **completely** empty" implying that the Lion may have ha minimal content (5kg?).

2- When the vet says "other male lions had weighed up to 320kg" he's referring to captive specimens that he weighed,I won't show those messages to keep it short and neat as possible.

The question remains,wich Sabi Sands Lion could've weighed 275-280kg on an empty stomach? Maybe Hairy belly? Ginger? Guess we won't know,or maybe it was a lesser known lion that migrated into Sabi sands shortly from kruger and was a big boy.

But it's really cool that We have a confirmed weight of a legit monster from this area from a veterinarian,thought you guys would really appreciate it and now we know Sabi sands lions get to massive sizes as well.

My friend, this is not confirmed weight, this is simply a screen shot, purporting to show some texts. To make this claim, we would need evidence, documentation in journals, pictures/videos, dates, areas, and the like.

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