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Lions of Sabi Sands
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  (09-09-2024, 06:55 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(09-09-2024, 06:38 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Those boys have certainly had it rough, I hope they make it through these tough times, to become great males. Do you know if the broken leg male was with them? He is alive. Seen last week so it may well be this group he was with. But I can’t be sure. 
I guess then that the reason we're not seeing the Othawas very often is because they are spending time in their pride's OG territory at Ottawa Property.
Hopefully the other female will also mate with PCM and they'll have cubs soon and maybe that makes the PCM stick more to Singita. But this is crazy to think about, NK Breakaways, Mangheni, Ximhungwe, Tsalala, Nkuhuma, and Othawa, all prides under or technically under the PCM. 6 prides for a 2 males coalition that have just turned 7yo. Has this even been seen before? To put it into perspective, Mapogos who were 6 males only had 7 prides throughout their entire career ( if you include technically some NK and Sparta females ) and never more than 3-4 prides at the same time, but here the PCM have 6 prides at the same time, being only 2 males.  (09-09-2024, 09:38 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I guess then that the reason we're not seeing the Othawas very often is because they are spending time in their pride's OG territory at Ottawa Property. The absolute void left in Sabi when the Northern Avocas and S8 all fell out. It's amazing to think no other coalitions filled this. The great hope I guess was that Kambula boys, but... we know how that turned.  (09-09-2024, 09:38 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I guess then that the reason we're not seeing the Othawas very often is because they are spending time in their pride's OG territory at Ottawa Property. While it’s an impressive feat for the PCMs, I think the numbers are a bit overstated. Ximhungwes are the only pride that 100% have their backing, Othawas aren’t considered a PCM pride at all, they’re just mating with the only dominant males in their area, although I do agree they will most likely end up under the PCMs. Mhangeni are 100% abandoned atp, sure PCMs met up and fed with them but I think this was more of them bumping into the pride after tracking Tumbela or noticing a fresh kill. Nkuhumas also aren’t solely under PCM control either with BDM and Mohawk spending more time with the pride than the PCMs themselves until they eventually return North and chase them away. Tsalala Pride is surviving again without PCM help, I know it’s rumoured Makhunga visited the cubs but it’s not confirmed and we haven’t seen both brothers with the pride to say it’s under their control. NK breakaways was the exact situation as current Mhangenis in terms of being abandoned. So the offspring they have already produced and should continue to produce is definitely a great achievement but this more to me shows the lack of competition in Sabi Sands rn. Gijimas, PCMs and Ndzengas all control multiple prides then u still have Nkhulus on top of that too. Kambulas were meant to become the real powerhouse but they’ve only recently started acting as dominant males again. None of this is stable going forward for the prides either, as cubs grow and prides get bigger there’s not enough space for everyone. One or two new coalitions are needed to help create that stability in Sabi Sands, unfortunately that is certain death for many of the cubs that are either born already or will be in the future.  (09-09-2024, 11:06 PM)KM600 Wrote:(09-09-2024, 09:38 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I guess then that the reason we're not seeing the Othawas very often is because they are spending time in their pride's OG territory at Ottawa Property. Add to this the actual number of lionesses. 2 Ximungwe, 2 Othawas (most likely), 3 Nkuhumas (potentially) and 1 Tsalala (kind of). As you said, the three Mhangheni lionesses are pretty much abandoned, and the two Nkuhuma breakaway subs definitely don't count. But I'll agree that the number of prides they've already sired cubs with (and probably will in the near future) is impressive, provided the cubs survive. 
It kinda depends on what you concider a pride and what it means to be in control of a pride. If you go with the traditional textbook example of a group of territorial lionesses regularly visited by the pride males. Then its only around 3. (Ximhungwe, Mangheni and Ridgenose) But if we add any leopard lionesses, young subs or any other lions just living in their territory without much interaction. Then the number gets much larger.
Offcource the same can be said about the Mapogo successes. The central north, has always been lowly populated with lions for some reason. Especially Londolozi which as a result has become a popular spot for leopards. I guess its becouse its right between most of the larger prides in the region, which avoid the area to avoid running into eachother. Which as a result also makes it less interesting for territorial males to cross unless they themselves are nomads avoiding lions. So most coalitions either take over the deep west. (Othawas, Mangheni and Ximhungwes.) Or the northeast. (Talamati, Nkuhuma and Kambulas.). Offcource in twenty years, the dynamics might be completely different. 
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@KM600 Numbers are not overstated since I said "prides under or technically under the PCM", key word technically.
The only pride with a normal, stable dynamic is the Ximhungwe pride, but all the others are PCM prides, even if just technically, all have cubs by them, are pregnant with their cubs, are their cubs, or are mating right now without any potential opposition to challenge them for such mating rights happening in their territory with females that live there. All these prides live in their territory and are accepted by them. Tumbela, BDM and Mohawk are nomads exploiting the PCM lack of ability to keep all intruders off their huge territory, it doesn't mean they have any control over anything. Also it's not like I was saying this like it's meant to show their great success, it remains to be seen if they'll be very successful as only the 2 Breakaways cubs are independent for now, I was just pointing out how unusual it is for only 2 males to have so many prides. We'll see if they can raise a significant amount of cubs in their career, they were doing incredibly well until they abandoned Manghenis and lost 3 cubs.    |
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