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Lions of Sabi Sands
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I dont like and strongly disagree with some guys here who are forcing narrative that PCMs are bad pride males or that they are not protecting their territory enough.
In 3 yrs of dominance, not once any males did any "harm" to their authority, or their prides and offspring, those who tried, where chased/eliminated very quickly. 
Reported on WildEarth this morning that Tiyelele was seen mating with 'one of the Nkuhuma males', who I can only imagine is the Nkuhuma-Talamati coalition. Could be true or could be mistaken identity.
 (09-05-2024, 07:15 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Reported on WildEarth this morning that Tiyelele was seen mating with 'one of the Nkuhuma males', who I can only imagine is the Nkuhuma-Talamati coalition. Could be true or could be mistaken identity. I think it should be them as she mentioned the info come from a ‘guide in the West.’ Kinda crazy how she has that little knowledge on the male lions close by that she refers to, I’m assuming NK as one of the Nkuhuma males, would be much easier to say Talamati / Nkuhuma male duo. I guess she specialises in other animals tho and that’s why she’s not as up to date as someone like Cedric for example. (09-05-2024, 08:04 PM)KM600 Wrote:(09-05-2024, 07:15 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Reported on WildEarth this morning that Tiyelele was seen mating with 'one of the Nkuhuma males', who I can only imagine is the Nkuhuma-Talamati coalition. Could be true or could be mistaken identity. That could be the case. But even Cedric makes mistakes sometimes, or seems to lack knowledge/information. We have to remember that it's not their job to be knowledgeable and up-to-date on all the lions in Sabi Sands. They are guides for their specific reserve after all. Plus it was probably the guide she got the information from that referred to them as the 'Nkuhuma males'. It's a bit like how Nhena and Nkuhuma were (incorrectly) referred to as the 'Birmingham males'.  (09-05-2024, 05:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: I dont like and strongly disagree with some guys here who are forcing narrative that PCMs are bad pride males or that they are not protecting their territory enough.Only to then simply walk back and continue what they were doing. Unless by quickly you mean months. They already lost cubs in the Mangheni pride, not to mention what happened to Amber and Ridgenose. Infact, the only reason they have cubs with the Mangheni right now is due to Tumbella accepting them. (09-05-2024, 10:13 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Only to then simply walk back and continue what they were doing. Unless by quickly you mean months. Everything normal what happens for literaly every coalition (losing cubs or females in a clash with rival prides). They where, and prob still are in process of abandoning Mhangenis, again, completly normal proccess for strong and expansive coalition.
Normal is not a qualification of good or bad.
There is also difference between being a strong and expansive coalition and being good pride males. Often those two aspirations clash. Its safe to say, they arent good pridemales to the Mangheni. (09-06-2024, 12:12 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Normal is not a qualification of good or bad. We cant judge normal lion behaviour thru lenses of our human moral principles. Would you say that lion killing "innocent" hyena, leopard or other lions, a bad behaviour? Or lions eating buffalo alive is bad behaviour? Or male lion attacking his son at age of 2-3 is bad behaviour? Those are not "good" or "bad" behaviors, those are normal lions/animals behaviours. (09-06-2024, 12:57 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(09-06-2024, 12:12 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Normal is not a qualification of good or bad. Its also normal for lions to fail most hunts. Would you consider those hunts successful because they happen as normal? Just like its normal for lions to lose fights. Would you consider a lion that lost its life in a clash the winner? And if there is no good behavoirs. Then how can you claim they are good pridemales. I am not judging them by human standards. I am judging them by how they handle their territory and prides, which are very important aspects of lion life.  
so whats the situation with the PCMs? Apparently Tumbela male is hanging out with their prides, still playing with fire
(09-06-2024, 07:06 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: so whats the situation with the PCMs? Apparently Tumbela male is hanging out with their prides, still playing with fire Maybe they are delirious? They are seemingly in a completely different area every other hour. I wonder if they've discovered transporter technology, and it's scrambling their brains so they don't know what they are supposed to be doing as pride males. 
@Duco Ndona It's not only safe to say they're not good pride males to Manghenis, but also to Nkuhumas, Nkuhumas Breakaways and Tsalalas.
Out of the 4 prides they ever had, they were only good pride males to one of them, Ximgungwes, at least for now, cubs have just turned 1yo, who knows if PCM will still be around protecting them 1, 2 years from now.  (09-06-2024, 09:11 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote:At the rate they are expanding even Black Rock males need to watch out(09-06-2024, 07:06 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: so whats the situation with the PCMs? Apparently Tumbela male is hanging out with their prides, still playing with fire |
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