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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (08-10-2022, 06:06 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 05:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The Gijima males were seen with the Southern pride lioness and her two daughters. They did indeed, Ubuso is still recovering from that, and the Gijima males lost their third brother as a result.  (08-10-2022, 06:09 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:06 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 05:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The Gijima males were seen with the Southern pride lioness and her two daughters. Wow! I wasn't aware they had a third brother. The Gijima draw the first blood, but in consecuence they lost a member. Thank you for the update, my friend
The one and only! The S8/Imbali male lion on a stroll as he watches the Talamati breakaway cubs playing with his moms
Photo credit: James Parsons  *This image is copyright of its original author
(08-10-2022, 06:11 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:09 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:06 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 05:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The Gijima males were seen with the Southern pride lioness and her two daughters. Video of the incident, you can see the third male at 2:39. His brothers were chased off by the other N'was, and this young male was left behind. He lingered near Ubuso for a bit, who was in no condition to do anything about it in that moment. As far as I know, this young male was not seen after, possibly caught by the other N'was.  (08-10-2022, 07:08 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:11 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:09 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:06 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 05:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The Gijima males were seen with the Southern pride lioness and her two daughters. Guys. @Timbavati @BA0701 In my opinion, this boy that stayed back with Uboso defiantly is actually 1/2 remaining Gijimas (smaller maned). I’m not very good with IDs but I had this theory for a while and shared images and captions of the incident and my friends believe he isn’t the one that disappeared. It is more likely it’s one of those chased by Amahle and OE who more than likely caught him.. (08-10-2022, 07:28 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:(08-10-2022, 07:08 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:11 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:09 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:06 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 05:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The Gijima males were seen with the Southern pride lioness and her two daughters. My friend, you very well might be right. I too am not so good at ID'ing many of these cats, especially the ones we are just beginning to learn about. Your hypothesis certainly seems very possible. (08-10-2022, 07:28 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:(08-10-2022, 07:08 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:11 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:09 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:06 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 05:47 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The Gijima males were seen with the Southern pride lioness and her two daughters. Could be perfectly, my friend. I have been out from all social medias, and out of lions dynamics. Therefore, you're much better updated than me, and maybe you're as well right  (08-10-2022, 07:28 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Guys. @Timbavati @BA0701 In my opinion, this boy that stayed back with Uboso defiantly is actually 1/2 remaining Gijimas (smaller maned). This is actually theory i never taught off. Also could be only way we can explain why 3rd male was never seen again, 3rd and light maned males where very similar in appearence. Amahle and OE chasing oldest and 3rd male, while light maned male stayed with Ubuso, Ndhzengas catching 3rd male, and then oldest and light maned reunited south. Will try to compare screenshots and photos later on. (08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote: While this is rather odd, I do hope it remains like this. Fact that their mother is back in estrus, and mating with them, is prob main reason that they dont act agressive towards sub females, other is that they are young and inexperienced males, they are their first pride. This is not that unusual when it comes to young males with their first pride, in 2018, N. Avocas accepted all the subs in Nkuhuma pride sired by Bboys, subs where around the same age as these 2 females, and theres other similar examples. 
To be honest, I think the whole male cubkilling thing is more based on learned pragmatism than an actual instinct or anything like that to bring the lionesses into esterus.
They are only a small group so food likely isnt much of an issue and the subadults are female so they are more potential mating oportunities than direct rivals.  (08-10-2022, 02:01 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-10-2022, 07:28 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Guys. @Timbavati @BA0701 In my opinion, this boy that stayed back with Uboso defiantly is actually 1/2 remaining Gijimas (smaller maned). Please do that. The disappearance of the 3rd male remains a big mystery. A few days after that 2 on 2 chase, I thought I saw a photo right here on the forum of a solitary Gijima male feeding on a carcass. I was thinking that was the missing male which would soon reunite with the other 2. I couldn’t locate that photo again. Now, on this theory of one getting caught in that chase, I thought about it too. But Rangers were following that chase so closely, thought we would have known more if one was caught out.
Tracks for a pride of lion were found close to Earth Lodge. When following up it was discovered that there were tracks male lions with the pride. The tracks eventually led to us finding the two Gijima males with the Southern Pride.
It was only a matter of time before these males and the Southern Pride met up. There have been many predictions as to what may happen when the two new males come into contact with the young females. The adult female has done a good job of keeping the males away from her two daughters. Many thought the new males would not accept the still very young females and they might kill them. For now, it seems the Gijima males have accepted the Southern Pride and who knows, these may be the two males that really bring the Southern Pride back to its former glory! The two young males are almost at an age where they could start reproducing and the adult female is now certainly ready for new cubs. Exciting times ahead for the Southern Pride. Photo credit: Jason Street  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
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(08-10-2022, 06:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote: While this is rather odd, I do hope it remains like this. Fact that their mother is back in estrus, and mating with them, is prob main reason that they dont act agressive towards sub females, other is that they are young and inexperienced males, they are their first pride. This is not that unusual when it comes to young males with their first pride, in 2018, N. Avocas accepted all the subs in Nkuhuma pride sired by Bboys, subs where around the same age as these 2 females, and theres other similar examples. [/quote] Well, yes, but these subs are only 2 years old. Won't get fertile for another year. When their mother is pregnant, these young males won't have anyone to mate with and I'd afraid they either get aggressive or leave in search for other females.
Ok guys, i finally solve part of the mystery about Gijima - Ndhzenga clash.
So, male on the video next to Wide-Nose, who was assumed to be 3rd, missing Gijima, is actually Light Maned male who is still alive and with older Gijima as @criollo2mil suggested, but not only that, he is the same one who initially attacked Gore with older one. So these pictures are all the same male, Light Maned Gijima male :  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Now, for male who is missing, we actually dont have any photo of him since they came in Sabi Sands, only this sighting :  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Has smallest and lightest mohawk mane of the 3, also has scars on his back spine. This male didn't initially engage on Gore as 2 "current" Gijima did, but if i remember correctly, rangers saw him with them (before or after, cant remember). Also, in the Ndhzenga clash, rangers also pointed out that there where 3 males there. Then i rewatched the video of 2 Gijima males getting chased by Amahle and OE in Londolozi, that 2nd Gijima male, although hard to say 100%, because of low quality, but based of appearence, mane, no scar on backs, looks to be the same male near Wide-Nose, Light Maned Gijima male. This means that on MalaMala videos, Light Maned male is both with Wide-Nose and getting chased with Dark Maned male, eventualy they together got chased to Lion Sands. MalaMala rangers dont have the full story, they even said that themselves. So what actually happened to 3rd male? 2 most likely scenarios: 1. He got killed/injured before the "chase", when Ndhzengas came in to rescue Wide-Nose. 2. He just abandon/left the area when things got crazy. With 2nd scenario, a lot of people asking why then he didn’t return south and try to find his brothers, well yea, thats hard to explain, but then again, we know nothing about these 3, so many questions, are they even brothers? Maybe that male just recently joined them and bond was weak, maybe he was unhealthy (he look quite skinny on that Kruger video), maybe injured, no photo of him - looks to be skittish, notice that he didn’t engage on Gore in first encounter, maybe doesn’t feel confident enough. As we see, a lot of question. In my opinion, i think its very likely scenario that 3rd male was not their brother, and that coalition was not established yet, and that 3rd male just left them and went back into Kruger. |
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