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Lions of Sabi Sands

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From the waterbuck kill yesterday, Talamati Silver Eye 
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"The Sand River pride has taken full advantage of the territorial void left behind by the Eyrefield pride. We’re starting to enjoy more regular sightings of these lions (4 lionesses and 5 cubs) in the southern parts of the Reserve - well within the safety of Southern Avoca male territory."

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Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died
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(05-15-2021, 06:24 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died

1 subadult male, it looks like he is missing..
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(05-15-2021, 06:44 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 06:24 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died

1 subadult male, it looks like he is missing..

Damn

Also after 3 years the southern avocas have only managed to raise one cub to sub-adult?
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(05-15-2021, 06:54 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Damn

Also after 3 years the southern avocas have only managed to raise one cub to sub-adult?

We dont know status of their offspring in Plains Camp pride.

Problem is theres not that much prides and females on their territory..
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Mhangeni cubs - Singita


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(05-15-2021, 06:24 PM)Tonpa Wrote: "The Sand River pride has taken full advantage of the territorial void left behind by the Eyrefield pride. We’re starting to enjoy more regular sightings of these lions (4 lionesses and 5 cubs) in the southern parts of the Reserve - well within the safety of Southern Avoca male territory."

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Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died

2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.
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(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..
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(05-15-2021, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..

So since that blog: https://www.andbeyond.com/impact/our-impact-platforms/lionscape-coalition/panthera-leo/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=lionscape-case-study-KK&fbclid=IwAR3j-idu2is2gJzjYcX2ibyQIlDIvbHRDw9JAOGxNXCAFlnlx0Kp089lJmk came out another young female returned to the pride?
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(05-15-2021, 11:37 PM)Potato Wrote: So since that blog: https://www.andbeyond.com/impact/our-impact-platforms/lionscape-coalition/panthera-leo/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=lionscape-case-study-KK&fbclid=IwAR3j-idu2is2gJzjYcX2ibyQIlDIvbHRDw9JAOGxNXCAFlnlx0Kp089lJmk came out another young female returned to the pride?

Yes, female who was nomadic with their 2 brothers, 2 young Sand River males, returned to the pride..

But still quite a shame that only 4 of 8/9 subadults survived, of which we know about..
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(05-15-2021, 11:37 PM)Potato Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..

So since that blog: https://www.andbeyond.com/impact/our-impact-platforms/lionscape-coalition/panthera-leo/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=lionscape-case-study-KK&fbclid=IwAR3j-idu2is2gJzjYcX2ibyQIlDIvbHRDw9JAOGxNXCAFlnlx0Kp089lJmk came out another young female returned to the pride?



There was only that one female sub-adult, and she is an Avoca daughter, yes.  We both know that there was never a lone sub-adult male, but rather she was a lioness.
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(05-15-2021, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..



There's no lone, surviving, sub-adult male from the Avocas in the Sand River Pride.  Only that one female survived out of her litter and she is now much older, a sub-adult, no longer a cub.

She's included with the other 3 lionesses, plus the 5 cubs.  Another female gave birth recently, but it seems she most likely lost her litter, because she was seen hanging out with the Avocas more often lately. I think this was the Mantimahle daughter.  She might be going into heat again before too long....
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(05-15-2021, 01:09 PM)Potato Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 12:40 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Did the Birminghams take the Kambulas while the Majingilanes were still alive or after they died?

BIrminghams started to move further down Londolozi and Mala Mala in mid 2017. Untill around end of 2017 they firmily took control over central Mala Mala and southern Londolozi. In the mean time they also killed cubs in Kambula pride sired by Majingilanes. Birminghams started to mate with Kambula females in early 2018, around same time Majingilanes passed away.

the kambulas was with matshapiri males untill the demise of one of the males. the majingalanes never sired any cubs with their daughters. they were solely with othawa and magheni's.
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(05-16-2021, 11:40 AM)swtlei4u Wrote: the kambulas was with matshapiri males untill the demise of one of the males
Yes, but that was untill the mid 2017

(05-16-2021, 11:40 AM)swtlei4u Wrote: the majingalanes never sired any cubs with their daughters. they were solely with othawa and magheni's
In mid 2017 Majingilanes chassed off 2 young Avoca males who a bit ealier chassed remaining Matshapiri male taking control over Kambula pride.
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(05-16-2021, 06:47 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: There's no lone, surviving, sub-adult male from the Avocas in the Sand River Pride.  Only that one female survived out of her litter and she is now much older, a sub-adult, no longer a cub.

She's included with the other 3 lionesses, plus the 5 cubs.  Another female gave birth recently, but it seems she most likely lost her litter, because she was seen hanging out with the Avocas more often lately. I think this was the Mantimahle daughter.  She might be going into heat again before too long....

Theres definetly 4 females there (As it says on that recent report of MalaMala) :

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 Plus Subadult :


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Its hard to see the gender, as quality is not great, i taught it was a male..but it looks like he/she is missing, as MalaMala said 5 cubs..
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