There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
--- Peter Broekhuijsen ---

  • 8 Vote(s) - 4.5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Lions of Sabi Sands

Tonpa Offline
Contributor
*****

From the waterbuck kill yesterday, Talamati Silver Eye 
Photo by Lauren Arthur 

*This image is copyright of its original author
5 users Like Tonpa's post
Reply

Tonpa Offline
Contributor
*****
( This post was last modified: 05-15-2021, 06:26 PM by Tonpa )

"The Sand River pride has taken full advantage of the territorial void left behind by the Eyrefield pride. We’re starting to enjoy more regular sightings of these lions (4 lionesses and 5 cubs) in the southern parts of the Reserve - well within the safety of Southern Avoca male territory."

Photo by MalaMala IG

*This image is copyright of its original author


Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died
4 users Like Tonpa's post
Reply

Tr1x24 Online
Top Contributor
******

(05-15-2021, 06:24 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died

1 subadult male, it looks like he is missing..
2 users Like Tr1x24's post
Reply

Tonpa Offline
Contributor
*****

(05-15-2021, 06:44 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 06:24 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died

1 subadult male, it looks like he is missing..

Damn

Also after 3 years the southern avocas have only managed to raise one cub to sub-adult?
1 user Likes Tonpa's post
Reply

Tr1x24 Online
Top Contributor
******

(05-15-2021, 06:54 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Damn

Also after 3 years the southern avocas have only managed to raise one cub to sub-adult?

We dont know status of their offspring in Plains Camp pride.

Problem is theres not that much prides and females on their territory..
3 users Like Tr1x24's post
Reply

Tonpa Offline
Contributor
*****
( This post was last modified: 05-15-2021, 08:00 PM by Tonpa )

Mhangeni cubs - Singita


*This image is copyright of its original author





5 users Like Tonpa's post
Reply

Poland Potato Online
Contributor
*****

(05-15-2021, 06:24 PM)Tonpa Wrote: "The Sand River pride has taken full advantage of the territorial void left behind by the Eyrefield pride. We’re starting to enjoy more regular sightings of these lions (4 lionesses and 5 cubs) in the southern parts of the Reserve - well within the safety of Southern Avoca male territory."

Photo by MalaMala IG

*This image is copyright of its original author


Wasn't it 4 lionesses and one female sub-adult? Wonder if someone died

2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.
4 users Like Potato's post
Reply

Tr1x24 Online
Top Contributor
******

(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..
2 users Like Tr1x24's post
Reply

Poland Potato Online
Contributor
*****

(05-15-2021, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..

So since that blog: https://www.andbeyond.com/impact/our-impact-platforms/lionscape-coalition/panthera-leo/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=lionscape-case-study-KK&fbclid=IwAR3j-idu2is2gJzjYcX2ibyQIlDIvbHRDw9JAOGxNXCAFlnlx0Kp089lJmk came out another young female returned to the pride?
6 users Like Potato's post
Reply

Tr1x24 Online
Top Contributor
******
( This post was last modified: 05-16-2021, 02:54 AM by Tr1x24 )

(05-15-2021, 11:37 PM)Potato Wrote: So since that blog: https://www.andbeyond.com/impact/our-impact-platforms/lionscape-coalition/panthera-leo/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=lionscape-case-study-KK&fbclid=IwAR3j-idu2is2gJzjYcX2ibyQIlDIvbHRDw9JAOGxNXCAFlnlx0Kp089lJmk came out another young female returned to the pride?

Yes, female who was nomadic with their 2 brothers, 2 young Sand River males, returned to the pride..

But still quite a shame that only 4 of 8/9 subadults survived, of which we know about..
4 users Like Tr1x24's post
Reply

Ukraine Cath2020 Offline
Regular Member
***

(05-15-2021, 11:37 PM)Potato Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..

So since that blog: https://www.andbeyond.com/impact/our-impact-platforms/lionscape-coalition/panthera-leo/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=lionscape-case-study-KK&fbclid=IwAR3j-idu2is2gJzjYcX2ibyQIlDIvbHRDw9JAOGxNXCAFlnlx0Kp089lJmk came out another young female returned to the pride?



There was only that one female sub-adult, and she is an Avoca daughter, yes.  We both know that there was never a lone sub-adult male, but rather she was a lioness.
1 user Likes Cath2020's post
Reply

Ukraine Cath2020 Offline
Regular Member
***

(05-15-2021, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: 2 Old lioness passed away before Avocas took over and this left pride with 3 lionesses including female sired by Mantimahles. 4th is sub adult sired by Avocas.

No.. Theres 2 older females, 2 younger sired by Mantimahles, and subadult male sired by Avoca, around 1. 5 yrs old..



There's no lone, surviving, sub-adult male from the Avocas in the Sand River Pride.  Only that one female survived out of her litter and she is now much older, a sub-adult, no longer a cub.

She's included with the other 3 lionesses, plus the 5 cubs.  Another female gave birth recently, but it seems she most likely lost her litter, because she was seen hanging out with the Avocas more often lately. I think this was the Mantimahle daughter.  She might be going into heat again before too long....
2 users Like Cath2020's post
Reply

United States swtlei4u Offline
Member
**
( This post was last modified: 05-16-2021, 11:41 AM by swtlei4u )

(05-15-2021, 01:09 PM)Potato Wrote:
(05-15-2021, 12:40 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Did the Birminghams take the Kambulas while the Majingilanes were still alive or after they died?

BIrminghams started to move further down Londolozi and Mala Mala in mid 2017. Untill around end of 2017 they firmily took control over central Mala Mala and southern Londolozi. In the mean time they also killed cubs in Kambula pride sired by Majingilanes. Birminghams started to mate with Kambula females in early 2018, around same time Majingilanes passed away.

the kambulas was with matshapiri males untill the demise of one of the males. the majingalanes never sired any cubs with their daughters. they were solely with othawa and magheni's.
1 user Likes swtlei4u's post
Reply

Poland Potato Online
Contributor
*****

(05-16-2021, 11:40 AM)swtlei4u Wrote: the kambulas was with matshapiri males untill the demise of one of the males
Yes, but that was untill the mid 2017

(05-16-2021, 11:40 AM)swtlei4u Wrote: the majingalanes never sired any cubs with their daughters. they were solely with othawa and magheni's
In mid 2017 Majingilanes chassed off 2 young Avoca males who a bit ealier chassed remaining Matshapiri male taking control over Kambula pride.
1 user Likes Potato's post
Reply

Tr1x24 Online
Top Contributor
******
( This post was last modified: 05-16-2021, 02:48 PM by Tr1x24 )

(05-16-2021, 06:47 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: There's no lone, surviving, sub-adult male from the Avocas in the Sand River Pride.  Only that one female survived out of her litter and she is now much older, a sub-adult, no longer a cub.

She's included with the other 3 lionesses, plus the 5 cubs.  Another female gave birth recently, but it seems she most likely lost her litter, because she was seen hanging out with the Avocas more often lately. I think this was the Mantimahle daughter.  She might be going into heat again before too long....

Theres definetly 4 females there (As it says on that recent report of MalaMala) :

(Screenshots from Luxury Safari, 4 months ago) 


*This image is copyright of its original author


 Plus Subadult :


*This image is copyright of its original author


Its hard to see the gender, as quality is not great, i taught it was a male..but it looks like he/she is missing, as MalaMala said 5 cubs..
3 users Like Tr1x24's post
Reply






Users browsing this thread:
Tr1x24, 22 Guest(s)

About Us
Go Social     Subscribe  

Welcome to WILDFACT forum, a website that focuses on sharing the joy that wildlife has on offer. We welcome all wildlife lovers to join us in sharing that joy. As a member you can share your research, knowledge and experience on animals with the community.
wildfact.com is intended to serve as an online resource for wildlife lovers of all skill levels from beginners to professionals and from all fields that belong to wildlife anyhow. Our focus area is wild animals from all over world. Content generated here will help showcase the work of wildlife experts and lovers to the world. We believe by the help of your informative article and content we will succeed to educate the world, how these beautiful animals are important to survival of all man kind.
Many thanks for visiting wildfact.com. We hope you will keep visiting wildfact regularly and will refer other members who have passion for wildlife.

Forum software by © MyBB