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Lions of Sabi Sands

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(05-12-2021, 01:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Outside of Sabi Sands, we cannot forget Lolparpit, Sikio, and Scarface's better days are behind him. Yes, agreed, been a horrible last 12 months.

I think its a bit different, when lion dies of old age like those, I agree its still hard to see those legends go, like Hairy Belly and others .. But those lions are way past their prime, they lived lions life to fullest and theres nothing more to achive, end will come sooner or later, nobody can live forever.. 

But when we lose a prime or young lion like recently Othawa male, Orpen males, Monwana male, Nharhu male, Mbilu.. it definitely hits different, atleast to me..
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Any idea when the last sighting of the ximhunwe pride and avoca males together was? Surprised they spend so much time in Elephant plains and never bump into each other
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(05-12-2021, 02:11 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Any idea when the last sighting of the ximhunwe pride and avoca males together was? Surprised they spend so much time in Elephant plains and never bump into each other

As far I remember, the last sighting was in September 2019.
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(05-12-2021, 02:11 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Any idea when the last sighting of the ximhunwe pride and avoca males together was? Surprised they spend so much time in Elephant plains and never bump into each other

Didn't they bump into each others last year? And then Blondie chased them..not all is seen in the wild, being so close they most likely bump into each others occasionaly..
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I think she is really shy. After all she has been on the run for others since she was a cub. 
She probably only interacts with other lions when she is in estrus or really cant help it.

Which is good. As it probably is what kept her alive for this long. 
Still I am glad she has a cub now. She must have been quite lonely after her sister died.
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(05-12-2021, 02:31 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-12-2021, 02:11 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Any idea when the last sighting of the ximhunwe pride and avoca males together was? Surprised they spend so much time in Elephant plains and never bump into each other

Didn't they bump into each others last year? And then Blondie chased them..not all is seen in the wild, being so close they most likely bump into each others occasionaly..

Yes, they did. Fortunately the ximhunge and her cub were able to get away. That happened last September, I think. I was watching Wild Earth when they mentioned that incident.
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(05-12-2021, 02:01 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-12-2021, 01:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Outside of Sabi Sands, we cannot forget Lolparpit, Sikio, and Scarface's better days are behind him. Yes, agreed, been a horrible last 12 months.

I think its a bit different, when lion dies of old age like those, I agree its still hard to see those legends go, like Hairy Belly and others .. But those lions are way past their prime, they lived lions life to fullest and theres nothing more to achive, end will come sooner or later, nobody can live forever.. 

But when we lose a prime or young lion like recently Othawa male, Orpen males, Monwana male, Nharhu male, Mbilu.. it definitely hits different, atleast to me..

I agree entirely @Tr1x24 , I just thought we talking about those we've lost altogether, over the past year. But, yes, I agree entirely with what you wrote. I cannot tell you how awful I have felt since @Timbavati brought OM to my attention, just devastated. I know there are folks who say it's just the wild, and that is their prerogative to feel that way and I respect it, but for me personally, I get attached to these animals, following them so closely, watching their lives unfold. While I know death happens daily, especially in the wild, but it really hits home when you follow the daily lives of individual animals. I never felt that way in my earlier years, it has only been since 2011 really, that my thinking began to change drastically from where it was the entire rest of my life. I was one of those who were indifferent to the death of a wild animal, but those days are now behind me..
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(05-12-2021, 02:54 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:




This is exactly why Othawa Male's unscarred face was so unusual. It's not like he lived alone. He might not have had to fight much with other males, but these types of interactions are normal in lion society, and yet he still remained so beautiful.
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(05-12-2021, 02:31 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-12-2021, 02:11 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Any idea when the last sighting of the ximhunwe pride and avoca males together was? Surprised they spend so much time in Elephant plains and never bump into each other

Didn't they bump into each others last year? And then Blondie chased them..not all is seen in the wild, being so close they most likely bump into each others occasionaly..

I saw just a few days ago, someone posted about the Tsalala cub, but I have not heard mention of her mother in quite some time either. Identical situation to these two. I hope some filmmaker decides to document the story of these two lionesses, such an amazing story for both prides. Hopefully one day.
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(05-12-2021, 02:58 AM)BA0701 Wrote: I agree entirely @Tr1x24 , I just thought we talking about those we've lost altogether, over the past year. But, yes, I agree entirely with what you wrote. I cannot tell you how awful I have felt since @Timbavati brought OM to my attention, just devastated. I know there are folks who say it's just the wild, and that is their prerogative to feel that way and I respect it, but for me personally, I get attached to these animals, following them so closely, watching their lives unfold. While I know death happens daily, especially in the wild, but it really hits home when you follow the daily lives of individual animals. I never felt that way in my earlier years, it has only been since 2011 really, that my thinking began to change drastically from where it was the entire rest of my life. I was one of those who were indifferent to the death of a wild animal, but those days are now behind me..

Its not good to get too attached to them (which is hard sometimes) , as just we seen, living in the wild is always living on the edge and there might not be tomorow for some, just like that..

To me biggest shock was death of Mhangeni Big Boy, i followed him very closely and got very attached, so im trying not to do that anymore, but deaths like Junior Nkuhuma and Othawa male definitely hurts, as we follow those lions almost on daily basis..
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(05-12-2021, 03:07 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-12-2021, 02:58 AM)BA0701 Wrote: I agree entirely @Tr1x24 , I just thought we talking about those we've lost altogether, over the past year. But, yes, I agree entirely with what you wrote. I cannot tell you how awful I have felt since @Timbavati brought OM to my attention, just devastated. I know there are folks who say it's just the wild, and that is their prerogative to feel that way and I respect it, but for me personally, I get attached to these animals, following them so closely, watching their lives unfold. While I know death happens daily, especially in the wild, but it really hits home when you follow the daily lives of individual animals. I never felt that way in my earlier years, it has only been since 2011 really, that my thinking began to change drastically from where it was the entire rest of my life. I was one of those who were indifferent to the death of a wild animal, but those days are now behind me..

Its not good to get too attached to them (which is hard sometimes) , as just we seen, living in the wild is always living on the edge and there might not be tomorow for some, just like that..

To me biggest shock was death of Mhangeni Big Boy, i followed him very closely and got very attached, so im trying not to do that anymore, but deaths like Junior Nkuhuma and Othawa male definitely hurts, as we follow those lions almost on daily basis..

Big Boy was one of the saddest tales in a very long time, at least for me, that one really stung as well. Trust me, I wish I didn't, I used to have ice in my veins, still do when it comes to certain things, but have begun to soften in my later years. You nailed it though, for how closely we follow them, it is hard to separate when bad things happen, because we spend so much time hoping for the best possible lives for them, just like Hairy Belly, Lolparpit, Makhulu, and countless others who were able to live legendary long lives in the midst of such overwhelming odds. When we lose them early, it is a huge disappointment. I know the reason behind my change of heart, and since 2011 I have become a very different person in my way of thinking about certain subjects.
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The life of a lion is harsh. Especially the males. They really have to fight for their right to grow old. To retain a seat in the most brutal game of musical chairs. 
But where there are winners, there are those that are left behind. Those for whom there is no pride available to call home. Too many male lions, to few prides. That just have to wander from meal to meal. Hoping to hold on until a seat opens up. 
Even those that have a pride could wake up to the roar of a new coalition there to take their cubs and lionesses. 

But I also think its typically human to dwell on these sorts of things. Having made things overly complex for itself. 
For a lion there is only the now. No what ifs, no what could have been or what should be. Just the now and what I can do. 

Right now I am fed. And If I am hungry I can hunt tonight. 
Right now I am watching my cubs play or drink my milk. Its a good moment. 
Right now one of my friends is missing. But if I roar she may find me again. 
Right now I am nomadic. But if I keep going. An opportunity may arise.
Right now I am wounded. But my body will heal. 

I think its a far healthier mindset.
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(05-12-2021, 03:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(05-12-2021, 03:07 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-12-2021, 02:58 AM)BA0701 Wrote: I agree entirely @Tr1x24 , I just thought we talking about those we've lost altogether, over the past year. But, yes, I agree entirely with what you wrote. I cannot tell you how awful I have felt since @Timbavati brought OM to my attention, just devastated. I know there are folks who say it's just the wild, and that is their prerogative to feel that way and I respect it, but for me personally, I get attached to these animals, following them so closely, watching their lives unfold. While I know death happens daily, especially in the wild, but it really hits home when you follow the daily lives of individual animals. I never felt that way in my earlier years, it has only been since 2011 really, that my thinking began to change drastically from where it was the entire rest of my life. I was one of those who were indifferent to the death of a wild animal, but those days are now behind me..

Its not good to get too attached to them (which is hard sometimes) , as just we seen, living in the wild is always living on the edge and there might not be tomorow for some, just like that..

To me biggest shock was death of Mhangeni Big Boy, i followed him very closely and got very attached, so im trying not to do that anymore, but deaths like Junior Nkuhuma and Othawa male definitely hurts, as we follow those lions almost on daily basis..

Big Boy was one of the saddest tales in a very long time, at least for me, that one really stung as well. Trust me, I wish I didn't, I used to have ice in my veins, still do when it comes to certain things, but have begun to soften in my later years. You nailed it though, for how closely we follow them, it is hard to separate when bad things happen, because we spend so much time hoping for the best possible lives for them, just like Hairy Belly, Lolparpit, Makhulu, and countless others who were able to live legendary long lives in the midst of such overwhelming odds. When we lose them early, it is a huge disappointment. I know the reason behind my change of heart, and since 2011 I have become a very different person in my way of thinking about certain subjects.
It was not so long ago that I started to follow all this and at first I confess that I was a little indifferent because as they say "it is only nature following its course" but I think that as we go deeper and using part of our time, it becomes something closer, the names, the history, the images all this makes the person end up creating a feeling and of course it can be bad because inevitably you will lose them but I think it ends up being natural, there is no way not to connect to something you spend hours/min daily
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(05-12-2021, 02:54 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:



That limp doesn't look great, hopefully it is superficial and nothing serious.
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