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Lions of Sabi Sands

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(07-07-2015, 06:34 PM)Majingilane Wrote: Another of the forces in the Sabi Sands.
The Fourways males.

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This lads are around 5 years old and one of them is son of the Majingilane, probably the oldest(Could be both of them, but it is not confirmed).
When they were still three.

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Their pride is contained in Matimba territory, and of course this led to the killing of one of the Fourways.
http://www.facebook.com/mike.kirkman1/videos/10152208855556994/
They came back from their exile some months ago and after a weary aproach(when they found the Styx males), soon they were roaring and vocalizing, trying to exert dominance in an "empty" territory(since the Majingilane don't patrol that area anymore) and mating with one of the breakaway Styx females(one of the Matimba ladies). Of course, when the Matimbas found them, they chased them, but the young Fourways have had a taste of power and they want more.
Wanting to find out where exactly the Majingilane are, they started to move out of their preferred area, moving more to the west.

The blue area is where they used to hang around and the blue dot is where they were at taht time, walking and hunting buffalo.

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Eventually, this led them to the territory controlled by the Sand river males. Soon, they found some females of the Southern pride and, after a show of dominance, they started to mate and spent some time with them while, on the other hand, the Sand river males are especifically being avoided by the Southern pride females.

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Is this the beginning of a takeover?
We can't be sure, but all the signs point to a future confrontation with the Sand river males. Already the fact that the females want nothing with them is a big signal, but I don' think the dominant males will give up their territory so easily. They are three, the Fourways just two and they have experience on their side, but of course the young Fourways are full of energy and the drive to conquer. Lately, the Sand river males had been having trouble hunting and this has been a constant in their lives, something that maked them smaller than other lions and also quite skinny.
It's tricky to guess what is going to happen, but I'd bet on the Fourways. They are young, strong and have already showed they are ready to be kings.



Time will tell...

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Information about Fourway Males, @Majingilane thanks
Actually they are two, one has been killed for the Matimba Males



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(06-16-2016, 11:48 AM)LionKiss Wrote: what is the story of the FourWay Males?
who is the father? how old are they?




pleased to see the Styx Males are doing ok, were they 2 from the beginning, right?
The Fourways males are around 5-6 years old. One of them, the one with orange eyes is son of the Majingilane, the blonde male is not, and the one killed by the Matimbas wasn't.

That pic of the Styx males is old, but you're on point with the question. I think they used to be three, but I think one was killed at young age in a interaction with a rival pride.
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Talamati Male
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The worried look on one of the young Talamati males as the dominant Charlestons call to the east 


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Photo and information credits: Tristan and Grayson Dicks Wildlife Photography
"The Mhangeni pride quenching their thirst in front of the lodge."

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Fourway male lion in Kruger National Park
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Credits to Denise Ackerman in Nkorho Bush Lodge
Can anyone identify this lion? We saw him mating with a female (see image in the comments) on the one evening game drive at the beginning of May 2015. Any ideas which pride the female was from?

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The Fourway male with the orange eyes?
I dont understand if the pic is recent or not...
https://m.facebook.com/groups/13451629919?view=permalink&id=10154301501524920
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(06-24-2016, 10:17 AM)Gamiz Wrote: Credits to Denise Ackerman in Nkorho Bush Lodge
Can anyone identify this lion? We saw him mating with a female (see image in the comments) on the one evening game drive at the beginning of May 2015. Any ideas which pride the female was from?

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The Fourway male with the orange eyes?
I dont understand if the pic is recent or not...
https://m.facebook.com/groups/13451629919?view=permalink&id=10154301501524920
Those pics are from may or june last year, when the Fourwyas males showed up in the Sabi sands, notice the shorter mane on the male.
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Quote:notice the shorter mane on the male.
@Majingilane, its true, thanks for help me.
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2 young Tsalala males were seen together on the June 26, 2016 WildEarth drive.    Would these be the 2 sub adults that usually travel with the tail-less female?

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Tsalala young males, credits to Nkorho Rangers.

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From Leopard Hills: 
It seems the 3 sub adult males from the Mhangeni pride have been kicked out of the pride and are now by themselves. This morning they were chased of a buffalo kill by a clan of Hyenas.

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Two are together and another with Junior?
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(06-29-2016, 04:20 AM)Gamiz Wrote: Two are together and another with Junior?
The three are together now. 

This one is from this morning. Credits to Idube.

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Shy Toulon with Sand River pride at Kirkman's Kamp, credits to Eckson Sithole.

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From Londolozi, Independence Day: By James Tyrrell
Whilst independence is a cause for celebration in not only the USA but in many other countries around the world, in the African bush it takes on a far more sinister note. Independence, particularly for predators, is a time in which the relative blanket of safety – even if only illusory – provided by their mothers is lifted, and real life begins.


For male lions, this independence may well be the toughest challenge of their lives. Despite having survived infancy, which in itself is fraught with danger, and then adolescence, by far the toughest trial a male lion will undergo is the period between leaving its natal pride and eventually establishing a territory of its own. No longer is a much larger dominant male defending the area in which you live against rivals. No longer is an efficient team of lionesses bringing down regular meals for you; meals that are often far beyond the capabilities of your as yet inadequate strength.
Going from having the roars of your fathers in the night being representative of a safety net, to having almost every roar you hear representing a male who will be at the least intolerant and at the worst your mortal nemesis must be quite a thing for a young male lion to adjust to, whether he’s by himself or part of a larger coalition.

Playful times for the Tsalala sub-adults in the Sand River in early 2015. Although they are still young, life is about to become far more serious. Photograph by James Tyrrell

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When male lions reach an age of roughly three years (although this can vary significantly), they are either pushed out of their pride through increased intolerance by their father(s) or a takeover by another coalition will force them out. They now enter a period of what will usually be at least a couple of years through which they will have to survive until they are big enough to attempt to take over a territory of their own. A common question asked by visitors to Londolozi is why don’t we see as many male lions as females, and the stark truth of the matter is a large number of newly independent males simply do not make it to adulthood. Everywhere they go involves avoiding the dominant males of the area, wherever that may be, living from day to day in the hope of making it to that magical age of 5-6 years which is when they typically began challenging for territory. A fair number of them are killed by these older and bigger males.

Male lions of similar ages in a pride will usually leave the pride together and form a coalition; a group of males will have a far greater chance of eventually taking over territory – and maintaining control over it – than an individual. This is evidenced in recent history by the Mapogo, Majingilane and Matimba coalitions, all coalitions of four and more who succeeded in taking over and controlling large territories.


The three young males and the 5-year old lioness. Easier times for the Tsalala pride. Photograph by Andrea Campbell

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This brings me to my next point, and the whole reason for this post: the young Tsalala males. We’ve run a number of posts on them over the last half year or so, all speculating about what their fate will be, and it finally seems as if the day of reckoning is approaching. The last week has seen some interesting movement from the breakaway part of the Tsalala pride (Tailless female and four sub-adults), with two of the young males crossing back into Londolozi from the northern parts of the Sabi Sands, and the Tailless female, the sub-adult female and a single sub-adult male being found two mornings ago on the western fence-line! Whatever has been happening east of us in terms of male lion dynamics (generally the cause of major pride disruptions) must be drastic to have caused such a wide separation of the two groups.

Purple: Tsalala Tailed female and 5-year old lioness current area of movement. Blue: Tsalala breakaway general area of movement since arrival of Matimba males. Red arrow: Two Tsalala young males on 2nd July. Red dot: Tailless lioness and two sub-adults 2nd July.

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Reports indicate that two of the young males have in fact been operating independently for awhile, which raises the question of why the third male continues to remain with the Tailless female. Ultimately his security will lie with his brothers (the sub-adults are all from the same litter), and it behoves him to operate with them if he (and they) are to stand a chance of attaining adulthood.


They will be three years old this year, and my gut feel is that by Christmas they will no longer be moving around with the females; whether the single male joins up with his brothers and they splinter off as a three remains to be seen. What I am also confident of is that by the time they reach an age at which they are able to claim a territory (if they reach such an age), the Matimba males and Majingilane will both be gone.
Who knows, maybe they could do what the Mapogo once did and move back to lay claim to the territory of their birth.
The best (and worst) thing about the lion dynamics is that the answers are never clear-cut and the future is impossible to predict. I suppose that’s the reason we’re always wanting to know more…
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