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(06-04-2021, 05:51 PM)Tonpa Wrote: I asked on Facebook and it seems to have ignited a shitstorm there so i'll ask here lol, what's the consensus on who sired the two oldest Talamati females?
Most likely Nkuhuma males.
Few people on Facebook claim that they are Mapogos daughters, but thats not correct and with 0 evidence.
(06-04-2021, 05:51 PM)Tonpa Wrote: I asked on Facebook and it seems to have ignited a shitstorm there so i'll ask here lol, what's the consensus on who sired the two oldest Talamati females?
Info by Aegon Cheche about what was going on in northern Sabi Sands/Southern Manyeleti after Mapogos defeated Nkuhuma males and until Matimbas came in 2011:
"There is something about the nkuhuma lion that needs to be corrected. Some people like to exaggerate the Nkuhuma male lions(Blondie and Dozie). First of all, none of the rangers said they were the biggest male lions in SS. Secondly, Blondie and Dozie are not the fathers of the oldest matimba male lion (Nduna). Thirdly, the nkuhuma male lions dominated the Nkuhuma Pride for a short time. In order to exaggerate Dozie, some people even erase the existence of 2 Manyeleti male lions and 2 Gijima male lions. It is obviously wrong to think that the matimbas took over Nkuhuma Pride from Dozie. After the death of Blondie, Dozie led three lionesses (including the Snaggletooth lioness) and some cubs north to escape Mapogos. But unfortunately, they met two manyeleti male lions and Dozie was driven away.
He found a new Pride in the manyeleti reserve and had an unpleasant experience with the Gums male lion and his allies. Only one female of the cubs that followed North survived, and the rest were thought to have been killed by 2Manyeleti males. In 2008, the Nkuhuma lions were roughly divided into three groups, some females mating with mapogos and giving birth to some cubs. Snaggletooth stayed with the manyeleti male lions, and when 1/2 male manyeleti male lions was killed by Mapogos in early 2009, the pregnant Snaggletooth female disappeared during a suspected birth. Some females become nomads, raising surviving cubs. But in 2009, only three boys and two girls survived. One of the young boys left the reserve with the Gijima male lions and was shot. 2 boys r Sizanani male lions. 2 girls r Nana and the mother of Nkuhuma Junior. By 2010, Gijimas and Majingilanes had come into contact with the Nkuhuma lionesses, although Mlowathis had expelled them. Until Kinky Tail is killed by Majingilane male lions, Gijima male lions and Majingilane male lions divided Nkuhuma lionesses. Finally, in 2011, the matimba males took over all the females. As for Dozie's reappearance in northern SS, it is because the lions occupied by dozie in manyeleti reserve are also occupied by matimba males. It's not dozie who has dominated the Nkuhuma lions. Between Dozie and Matimbas, there are four coalitions: Mapogo, 2 Manyeleti, Gijima and MajingiIane."
Im not saying his info is correct, these times in northern Sabi Sands are quite unclear as we had around 4 coalitions hanging with disperse Nkuhuma lions..
(06-06-2021, 04:23 PM)Tonpa Wrote: The majingilanes dominated the Nkuhuma pride too?
As I said, im not saying his info is all correct..
Maybe he has some more insight, because info about that time is impossible to find.. but as far as I know, KT and Mr T already abandon Nkuhumas before Majingilanes came, and Nkuhumas where under Gijima males since later parts of 2009..
Mr T and KT had clash with Gijima males, but i've read that Mr T and KT retreat, not other way around, as they where not seen further back north again and Gijima males took control of the area..
Also, his claim that Sizanani 3rd brother was shot with Gijima is not correct, that subadult male was sired by Gijima males and was only 1 yrs old or something.
(06-06-2021, 04:17 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Info by Aegon Cheche about what was going on in northern Sabi Sands/Southern Manyeleti after Mapogos defeated Nkuhuma males and until Matimbas came in 2011:
"There is something about the nkuhuma lion that needs to be corrected. Some people like to exaggerate the Nkuhuma male lions(Blondie and Dozie). First of all, none of the rangers said they were the biggest male lions in SS. Secondly, Blondie and Dozie are not the fathers of the oldest matimba male lion (Nduna). Thirdly, the nkuhuma male lions dominated the Nkuhuma Pride for a short time. In order to exaggerate Dozie, some people even erase the existence of 2 Manyeleti male lions and 2 Gijima male lions. It is obviously wrong to think that the matimbas took over Nkuhuma Pride from Dozie. After the death of Blondie, Dozie led three lionesses (including the Snaggletooth lioness) and some cubs north to escape Mapogos. But unfortunately, they met two manyeleti male lions and Dozie was driven away.
He found a new Pride in the manyeleti reserve and had an unpleasant experience with the Gums male lion and his allies. Only one female of the cubs that followed North survived, and the rest were thought to have been killed by 2Manyeleti males. In 2008, the Nkuhuma lions were roughly divided into three groups, some females mating with mapogos and giving birth to some cubs. Snaggletooth stayed with the manyeleti male lions, and when 1/2 male manyeleti male lions was killed by Mapogos in early 2009, the pregnant Snaggletooth female disappeared during a suspected birth. Some females become nomads, raising surviving cubs. But in 2009, only three boys and two girls survived. One of the young boys left the reserve with the Gijima male lions and was shot. 2 boys r Sizanani male lions. 2 girls r Nana and the mother of Nkuhuma Junior. By 2010, Gijimas and Majingilanes had come into contact with the Nkuhuma lionesses, although Mlowathis had expelled them. Until Kinky Tail is killed by Majingilane male lions, Gijima male lions and Majingilane male lions divided Nkuhuma lionesses. Finally, in 2011, the matimba males took over all the females. As for Dozie's reappearance in northern SS, it is because the lions occupied by dozie in manyeleti reserve are also occupied by matimba males. It's not dozie who has dominated the Nkuhuma lions. Between Dozie and Matimbas, there are four coalitions: Mapogo, 2 Manyeleti, Gijima and MajingiIane."
Im not saying his info is correct, these times in northern Sabi Sands are quite unclear as we had around 4 coalitions hanging with disperse Nkuhuma lions..
I do not think there is much truth in this post especially what it comes to Majingilanes dominating Nkuchuma pride or part of it. As far as I am aware Manyeleti males killed by Mapogos were nomads. Silver eye Talamati must have been sired by Nkuchumas and probably there were more, tho I do not know exact numbers of females in Talamati and Nkuchuma pride through the years.
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(06-06-2021, 07:03 PM)lionuk Wrote: Any news about Nuk Male and Styx Male after their incredible interaction with Mhangeni Pride last weekend? Surely they continue to pursue that pride, especially they probably have noticed there isn't a dominant male there.
The facebook admins of the group "Lions of Djuma and other territories" wrote on Friday that they were seen in the company of the PC males and all 4 males seemingly had been in a fight. However there were no pictures attached nor any kind of source so not sure what to make of it.
(06-06-2021, 07:03 PM)lionuk Wrote: Any news about Nuk Male and Styx Male after their incredible interaction with Mhangeni Pride last weekend? Surely they continue to pursue that pride, especially they probably have noticed there isn't a dominant male there.
The facebook admins of the group "Lions of Djuma and other territories" wrote on Friday that they were seen in the company of the PC males and all 4 males seemingly had been in a fight. However there were no pictures attached nor any kind of source so not sure what to make of it.
That is what I was expecting and I mentioned this when Othawa male passed away that Singita may became huge battle ground. At first Plains Camp vs Nkuchuma/Styx. I would not be suprised if Tumbelas and/or N'was also joins competition and Othawa boys are growing in the region and in the couple of months may also show intrests of dominating the arena.
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(06-06-2021, 07:50 PM)Potato Wrote: That is what I was expecting and I mentioned this when Othawa male passed away that Singita may became huge battle ground. At first Plains Camp vs Nkuchuma/Styx. I would not be suprised if Tumbelas and/or N'was also joins competition and Othawa boys are growing in the region and in the couple of months may also show intrests of dominating the arena.
Othawa boys are nowhere near the age to show interest or compete for dominating an area/pride.
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(06-06-2021, 07:03 PM)lionuk Wrote: Any news about Nuk Male and Styx Male after their incredible interaction with Mhangeni Pride last weekend? Surely they continue to pursue that pride, especially they probably have noticed there isn't a dominant male there.
The facebook admins of the group "Lions of Djuma and other territories" wrote on Friday that they were seen in the company of the PC males and all 4 males seemingly had been in a fight. However there were no pictures attached nor any kind of source so not sure what to make of it.
Oh, I hope no-one got badly injured in that fight, just a minor scuffle.
