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Freak Felids - A Discussion of History's Largest Felines

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(03-23-2023, 01:17 PM)caninecat Wrote: Привет, @GuateGojira. I would like to ask what is the maximum length of the skull of atrox

GSL - 467.5 mm
CBL - 424.3 mm.

Check my post No. 1,207 in this topic for more specimens.
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(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?
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(07-10-2023, 06:06 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?

Tbh, none of this prehistoric animals sizes are accurate. I am waiting for megalodon downsizing next.
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(07-10-2023, 06:06 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?


According to @tigerluver, the Bornean tiger got the largest known big cat skull.

Since he has done this research by himself, so he is the only one who can provide the most elaborate answer.
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(07-11-2023, 06:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(07-10-2023, 06:06 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?


According to @tigerluver, the Bornean tiger got the largest known big cat skull.

Since he has done this research by himself, so he is the only one who can provide the most elaborate answer.

have him post here in this thread.  LOL.   at least its getting recognition.  seems people outside this forum know of its existence and its potential sizes along with the other prehistoric tigers.

        



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(07-10-2023, 02:11 PM)Bitishannah Wrote:
(07-10-2023, 06:06 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?

Tbh, none of this prehistoric animals sizes are accurate. I am waiting for megalodon downsizing next.


Dont want to derail this thread, just this once lol. Somebody from the Carnivora forums mentioned a downsizing of Megalodon.  He couldn't mentioned much about it but the average size of the Meg is going to be downsize.  He mentioned that in the Leviathan Melville vs Meg thread which will tip the favor of the whale.  Though maximum sizes might still favor the Meg,  just not the average.  That is what I got from his post.
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(07-11-2023, 07:27 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(07-11-2023, 06:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(07-10-2023, 06:06 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?


According to @tigerluver, the Bornean tiger got the largest known big cat skull.

Since he has done this research by himself, so he is the only one who can provide the most elaborate answer.

have him post here in this thread.  LOL.   at least its getting recognition.  seems people outside this forum know of its existence and its potential sizes along with the other prehistoric tigers.

        





The giant Bornean tiger was just one of many prehistoric tiger populations.

The existence of the giant Bornean tiger has consolidated the theory that tiger size and prey quantity have always been intertwined with each other.
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I am looking for the average size of prehistoric tigers. Nothing much is known about these cats unlike that of lions.
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(07-12-2023, 03:53 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(07-11-2023, 07:27 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(07-11-2023, 06:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(07-10-2023, 06:06 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?


According to @tigerluver, the Bornean tiger got the largest known big cat skull.

Since he has done this research by himself, so he is the only one who can provide the most elaborate answer.

have him post here in this thread.  LOL.   at least its getting recognition.  seems people outside this forum know of its existence and its potential sizes along with the other prehistoric tigers.

        





The giant Bornean tiger was just one of many prehistoric tiger populations.

The existence of the giant Bornean tiger has consolidated the theory that tiger size and prey quantity have always been intertwined with each other.

so there are other giant tigers to be found??   interesting.
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(07-24-2023, 05:12 PM)Bitishannah Wrote: I am looking for the average size of prehistoric tigers. Nothing much is known about these cats unlike that of lions.

They were just the buffed up version of the modern tigers, but morphologically almost identical.

In comparison, the Pleistocene African lions were also much less popular compared to the Cave lion species despite being a buffed up version of the modern African lions.
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(07-25-2023, 06:58 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(07-12-2023, 03:53 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(07-11-2023, 07:27 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(07-11-2023, 06:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(07-10-2023, 06:06 AM)genao87 Wrote:
(10-31-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 03:08 PM)caninecat Wrote: hello @GuateGojira, stumbled upon a 2019 article about the 2019 Borenean tiger. You yourself think this article is amazing that he was given a weight of 478 kg, with a mandible measurement of 206 cm, although with such a structure of the mandible, his GSL should be only 312 cm. I do not imagine that a tiger with a long skull of 312 cm would weigh 478 kg. I would like to ask you - is such a large weight estimate correct, or is the Mosbach lion still larger than this tiger?

206 cm is the measurement of the fragment as the mandible was broken, and we can never know the full length but with estimation.

Based on the comparison with the modern close relatives of the giant Bornean tiger, the mandible should measure around 320 cm in its complete form, and the GSL is also estimated to be approximately 480 cm or 460 cm according Per Christiansen with more conservative formula.

The skull of the giant Bornean tiger is either similar to the largest Panthera spelaea or the largest Panthera fossilis depending on the formula to choose to guesstimate its size.


i thought the Bornean Tiger was larger than Spelaea?


According to @tigerluver, the Bornean tiger got the largest known big cat skull.

Since he has done this research by himself, so he is the only one who can provide the most elaborate answer.

have him post here in this thread.  LOL.   at least its getting recognition.  seems people outside this forum know of its existence and its potential sizes along with the other prehistoric tigers.

        





The giant Bornean tiger was just one of many prehistoric tiger populations.

The existence of the giant Bornean tiger has consolidated the theory that tiger size and prey quantity have always been intertwined with each other.

so there are other giant tigers to be found??   interesting.

Other giant tiger populations did exist, but they were not studied yet.
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A short video summing up the story of the saberteeth, among the ancient felids wearing these disproportionate fangs - nimravids, barburofelids and finally sabertooth cats like homotherium, smilodon fatalis and imperator -. Very synthetic and interesting explaining that, after all, these beasts having been existing on Earth for approximately 40 miliions years, the saberteeth was perhaps not an aberrant process.






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