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(04-01-2025, 12:04 AM)Ngonya Wrote: As you say theres two males in the grass close to the camera
being Crooked Tail at the left and one at the right who is Snip Tail/#2
Yes, theres 2 males in the grass.
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(04-01-2025, 12:08 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(04-01-2025, 12:04 AM)Ngonya Wrote: As you say theres two males in the grass close to the camera
being Crooked Tail at the left and one at the right who is Snip Tail/#2
Yes, theres 2 males in the grass.
Yeah, there is for sure a second male in the grass, and he goes to the right. When I first watched the video, I only caught a glimpse of his tail, but when I rewatched it, you can see the whole lion, through the grass, at the very start of the video he is already in the grass, mane and all, but the grass makes it impossible to make out any details, and in the video he is only there for a split second.
If people have access to Facebook, check out Carol Kietzmann's post. It seems that this clash began with the Nkuhlus roaring and advancing forward, actually challenging the Gijimas. Eventually LM Gijima responds and sends them fleeing. Pretty interesting context for anyone who can spare the time to find the post. Can't seem to embed it as usual
Wow that’s really impressive. LM really chased them alone and his brother was nowhere to be seen. (I know later u can see his brother with him) really brave indeed. I heard they have 24 living offspring in total right now. How about the living offspring count of the other dominant males of sabi sands?
Is it fair to say that the gijimas are the most battletested coalition of sabi sands? They have had a lot of clashes over the years.
(03-31-2025, 07:50 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Gijimas chasing Nkhulus over the river at Kirkmans Kamp:
Not sure who was all involved from Nkhulus, but we can see LM Gijima chasing atleast 3 Nkhulus over the river, by the looks of it, at the beginning in the bushes is Nkhulu #5 (Crocked Tail) spliting left, and another male spliting right (has a turf so its not Snip Tail), prob male #3.
Nkhulu running from LM over the river looks to be Smudge.
LM is such a crazy and bloodthirsty lion, even when they are going back thru river he is still looking back like he wants more action.
Hope his brother can follow him, as we see here, DM was quite behind, otherwise LM Gijima might be in trouble one day.
What created the gap? Is dark mane slower? Or is LM just overly excited and running ahead?
(03-31-2025, 07:50 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Gijimas chasing Nkhulus over the river at Kirkmans Kamp:
Not sure who was all involved from Nkhulus, but we can see LM Gijima chasing atleast 3 Nkhulus over the river, by the looks of it, at the beginning in the bushes is Nkhulu #5 (Crocked Tail) spliting left, and another male spliting right (has a turf so its not Snip Tail), prob male #3.
Nkhulu running from LM over the river looks to be Smudge.
LM is such a crazy and bloodthirsty lion, even when they are going back thru river he is still looking back like he wants more action.
Hope his brother can follow him, as we see here, DM was quite behind, otherwise LM Gijima might be in trouble one day.
It was LM Gijima that turned back, while being chased, and pinned ST, he certainly doesn't lack for confidence, as they were being chased by three Nkhulus that time.
What time are u talking about? When they clashed 2vs6?
(03-31-2025, 07:50 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Gijimas chasing Nkhulus over the river at Kirkmans Kamp:
Not sure who was all involved from Nkhulus, but we can see LM Gijima chasing atleast 3 Nkhulus over the river, by the looks of it, at the beginning in the bushes is Nkhulu #5 (Crocked Tail) spliting left, and another male spliting right (has a turf so its not Snip Tail), prob male #3.
Nkhulu running from LM over the river looks to be Smudge.
LM is such a crazy and bloodthirsty lion, even when they are going back thru river he is still looking back like he wants more action.
Hope his brother can follow him, as we see here, DM was quite behind, otherwise LM Gijima might be in trouble one day.
It was LM Gijima that turned back, while being chased, and pinned ST, he certainly doesn't lack for confidence, as they were being chased by three Nkhulus that time.
What time are u talking about? When they clashed 2vs6?
I had it wrong, it wasn't 3 Nkhulus, it was when they clashed 4vs2, they were all going back and forth, and eventually LM turned and charged at them, and pinned ST to the ground.
(03-31-2025, 10:14 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Gijima in Kruger, I was told that was after chasing Nkuhlu but I can't confirm it:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Regardless it seems Nkuhlu, even in their own territory, are no match for the Gijima as 2 or 3 males. They need a third brother to evenly compete with the Gijima.
I've said this before but this is the greatest rivarly I've ever seen by the sheer amount of clashes they had, they might have had over 10 encounters by now.
And while yeah, only 2 Nkuhlu are healthy, it's still very surprising how the Gijimas have been dominating most of these clashes. Nkuhlu were still 7, then 6, and now 5, with 2 prime healthy males and others who still have contributed in clashes despite not being at 100%.
While I still believe the high water mark for duos is the Ross Males, they will, likely, be the standard by which all others are judged, for their sheer success, for a long time to come. But the current crop of duos in Sabi Sands may well be the greatest we have seen, as far as battle born, battle proven, their ability to take on and fend off all challengers, coupled with their successes as pride males. Also, the fact that there are three sets, currently, and they all border one another's territories. I am not sure we have seen so many duos, simultaneously, that were all so dominant.
However, as I was thinking about these three groups, the other day, it got me thinking about Sabi Sands, and all of the legendary duos who have come from there. The Molwathis, the last two real Birminghams, two sets of Avocas, one at each end, the Thanda Impis, just to name a few, the list goes on.
Yh, we can definetly appreciate the greatness of the lions we are currently witnessing. What did the Ross males accomplish to be the standard others are measured by?(don’t know anything about them)
I heard the mbiris are the most impressive duo of all time?
Facts people mentioned were as followed
-will reach 8y reign mid this year
-sired over 40 offspring
-became dominant males at 3,5y
\only males to be documented dominant males at that age in even numbers (2vs2)
-chased 2 prime dominant Ross males at 3,5y old
-chased 2 prime dominant mapoza males out of their own territory at 3,5y old
-most fights and wins while outnumbered or in even numbers out of any documented coalition
-beat prime Hercules and Sumatra and ousted them out of scorro pride
-beat 2 huge H7 males 2vs2
-beat tinswalos aswell
That’s what people say about the mbiris. Do the Ross males have a more impressive feats to show?
Just curious as I don’t have any information about Ross males.
(03-31-2025, 11:31 PM)Ngonya Wrote: although i dont doubt Gijimas could chase them even 2v5.
Nah, 5vs2 Gijimas should be heavly outmatched. I would argue 4vs2 as well would be too much to pull through for Gijimas. Once they did, but would argue it was just sort of "lucky punch" With smaller Gijima in no time beating Snip Tail. It worked that time, but what are odds of succesfully doing it again. I would say they are rather poor.
Is there a video of smaller gijima beating snip tail or was it just said by guides?
(03-31-2025, 10:14 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Gijima in Kruger, I was told that was after chasing Nkuhlu but I can't confirm it:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Regardless it seems Nkuhlu, even in their own territory, are no match for the Gijima as 2 or 3 males. They need a third brother to evenly compete with the Gijima.
I've said this before but this is the greatest rivarly I've ever seen by the sheer amount of clashes they had, they might have had over 10 encounters by now.
And while yeah, only 2 Nkuhlu are healthy, it's still very surprising how the Gijimas have been dominating most of these clashes. Nkuhlu were still 7, then 6, and now 5, with 2 prime healthy males and others who still have contributed in clashes despite not being at 100%.
While I still believe the high water mark for duos is the Ross Males, they will, likely, be the standard by which all others are judged, for their sheer success, for a long time to come. But the current crop of duos in Sabi Sands may well be the greatest we have seen, as far as battle born, battle proven, their ability to take on and fend off all challengers, coupled with their successes as pride males. Also, the fact that there are three sets, currently, and they all border one another's territories. I am not sure we have seen so many duos, simultaneously, that were all so dominant.
However, as I was thinking about these three groups, the other day, it got me thinking about Sabi Sands, and all of the legendary duos who have come from there. The Molwathis, the last two real Birminghams, two sets of Avocas, one at each end, the Thanda Impis, just to name a few, the list goes on.
Yh, we can definetly appreciate the greatness of the lions we are currently witnessing. What did the Ross males accomplish to be the standard others are measured by?(don’t know anything about them)
I heard the mbiris are the most impressive duo of all time?
Facts people mentioned were as followed
-will reach 8y reign mid this year
-sired over 40 offspring
-became dominant males at 3,5y
\only males to be documented dominant males at that age in even numbers (2vs2)
-chased 2 prime dominant Ross males at 3,5y old
-chased 2 prime dominant mapoza males out of their own territory at 3,5y old
-most fights and wins while outnumbered or in even numbers out of any documented coalition
-beat prime Hercules and Sumatra and ousted them out of scorro pride
-beat 2 huge H7 males 2vs2
-beat tinswalos aswell
That’s what people say about the mbiris. Do the Ross males have a more impressive feats to show?
Just curious as I don’t have any information about Ross males.
Thanks in advance for reply ?
You don't know anything about the Ross Males, but you know so much about the males that, eventually, took over one of their prides?
(03-31-2025, 11:31 PM)Ngonya Wrote: although i dont doubt Gijimas could chase them even 2v5.
Nah, 5vs2 Gijimas should be heavly outmatched. I would argue 4vs2 as well would be too much to pull through for Gijimas. Once they did, but would argue it was just sort of "lucky punch" With smaller Gijima in no time beating Snip Tail. It worked that time, but what are odds of succesfully doing it again. I would say they are rather poor.
Is there a video of smaller gijima beating snip tail or was it just said by guides?
There were pics, and there may have been video, but the pics can be seen in post #305, on this page:
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(04-01-2025, 02:34 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote: Wow that’s really impressive. LM really chased them alone and his brother was nowhere to be seen. (I know later u can see his brother with him) really brave indeed. I heard they have 24 living offspring in total right now. How about the living offspring count of the other dominant males of sabi sands?
(04-01-2025, 02:34 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote: Wow that’s really impressive. LM really chased them alone and his brother was nowhere to be seen. (I know later u can see his brother with him) really brave indeed. I heard they have 24 living offspring in total right now. How about the living offspring count of the other dominant males of sabi sands?
Here we go...
Offspring of the 3 Sabi Sand duo
Great chart, really shows the difference between the PC males and the other two coalitions in how many offspring they've sired and raised (protected). Though they could very well sire some more offspring in the Ximungwe pride, as I imagine the Othawa girl will be coming back into oestrus soon, and I'm sure more are on the way in the Othawa pride, but them abandoning the Mhanghenis has really knocked down their number of surviving offspring.
One nitpick, but I believe the Ndzenga males have 4 surviving offspring from the Styx pride - 3 girls and FE.
(03-29-2025, 09:23 PM)Potato Wrote: Is he still in arena? Latest raports says 5 Monwanas reunited in Timbavati so it should be all of them no?
Was already answer by KM but yeah, theres 6 Monwanas and only this boy is apart bro, he is in the area for now.
(03-29-2025, 09:23 PM)Potato Wrote: I wouldn't sleep on that option. I think you underestimate a guy. He is still male in peak age and in peak condition aside of limp.
I'll wait for him to display any signs of strenght and dominance before assuming he could match the boldness and will of the Kruger male.
Smaller SBDM has been doing the same thing for more than a year now bro.
(03-29-2025, 09:23 PM)Potato Wrote: I wouldn't sleep on that option. I think you underestimate a guy. He is still male in peak age and in peak condition aside of limp.
True, i forgot those, they surely are really good options as they rise to their early years of adult males, well noted.
(03-29-2025, 09:23 PM)Potato Wrote: I dissagree with such statement. I think people grow too attachet to thinking that unrelated males joins up only in a duos, like coalitions such as Mpondo or De Laporte wouldn't exist. If you think on it unrelated males are joining up to higher their odds of taking over and keeping territory. Most often getting into a duo is enough to achive that. Nowdays however in Sabi Sands it rather won't be enough to do the job so from that point of view it make perfect sense to add another member into coalition.
I never said that unrelated males join up only in duos, i mean that it is more likely.
I think its factual that two unrelated males are more likely to make up a small coalition than multiple unrelated males. And although i think its more likely for Kruger to join other solo male, i would surely like it better for him to form a bigger coalition with other unrelated males such as Talamati/Nkuhuma or Avoca/SBDM, or all together haha.
Making up a big coalition similar to DeLaporte would definitly increase their chances to become territorial.
Except that these big coalitions of random unrelated adult males dont work, as Delaportes didnt either, on first obstacle, they crumbled.
Mpondos where subs went they link, and went thru nomadic phase together, thats quite different then 4-5 adult males linking together.
This goes for duo coalitions aswell, older the members who link, or bigger the age gap, least likely they will be successful.
As duos who link earlier, have big advantage in growing up and learning together in crucial times for male lion, which is age in between 3-5 yrs, after they are expelled from security of the pride and thrown into nomadic phase.
Most successful unrelated coalitions/duos linked during those times.
So even if all those nomads link with each others, they would have no teamplay and confidence in each others when a duo like lets say PCMs or Ndhzengas attack them.
And then there is a case of K1, K2 + Preturioskop (spelling?). For sure it si more likely to join up for solo males and unrelated males grouping are more prone to crumble if tested at the wrong time (not bonded enough, different drive to do X, experience/confidence gap), but that happens in coalitions or related males as well, more so in uinexperienced ones.
We can consider these as trends perhaps, rather than rules, but there is always gonna be individuals who will do their own unexpected things and won't fit the norms.
