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Tigers of Central India

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(06-08-2021, 02:14 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:
(06-08-2021, 12:35 AM)Khan85 Wrote: Does anyone know which tigers are these? 

This one is from Kanha (looks like a subadult) - 



https://frontline.thehindu.com/environment/conservation/article31915011.ece

This one looks like a tigress, but no idea from where (possibly Kanha) - 



Got this from this interesting article on Suggested Protocol For Radio-Telemetry Studies on Tigers

Lastly, this image of possibly Jai when he was being collared



^Article here

top looks like one of the link 7 boys from back in the day k1/k2 second looks like their mother old link 7 female last one appears to be jai
So were K1/K2's collars removed soon or did they die in young age? I have seen some videos of K2 and he doesn't appear to have a collar in them
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(06-08-2021, 02:42 PM)Khan85 Wrote:
(06-08-2021, 02:14 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:
(06-08-2021, 12:35 AM)Khan85 Wrote: Does anyone know which tigers are these? 

This one is from Kanha (looks like a subadult) - 



https://frontline.thehindu.com/environment/conservation/article31915011.ece

This one looks like a tigress, but no idea from where (possibly Kanha) - 



Got this from this interesting article on Suggested Protocol For Radio-Telemetry Studies on Tigers

Lastly, this image of possibly Jai when he was being collared



^Article here

top looks like one of the link 7 boys from back in the day k1/k2 second looks like their mother old link 7 female last one appears to be jai
So were K1/K2's collars removed soon or did they die in young age? I have seen some videos of K2 and he doesn't appear to have a collar in them

k1 died earlier with his collar if i recall, k2 lived a little longer the collar eventually came off, but both died before their primes.
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I read somewhere that Matkasur had once attacked a person probably because he mistake the human for a monkey.

Anyone know how that incident concluded? What happened to the person? How did they save him from Matkasur?
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(06-14-2021, 01:12 AM)ganidat Wrote: I read somewhere that Matkasur had once attacked a person probably because he mistake the human for a monkey.

Anyone know how that incident concluded? What happened to the person? How did they save him from Matkasur?

The man died. Nothing further happened.


Tiger Matkasur versus Tadoba man he killed, both innocent - India News
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(06-14-2021, 09:55 AM)Rishi Wrote:
(06-14-2021, 01:12 AM)ganidat Wrote: I read somewhere that Matkasur had once attacked a person probably because he mistake the human for a monkey.

Anyone know how that incident concluded? What happened to the person? How did they save him from Matkasur?

The man died. Nothing further happened.


Tiger Matkasur versus Tadoba man he killed, both innocent - India News

Well, how did they recover the body? Did Matkasur eat some of it at least?

Link doesn't click btw
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(06-14-2021, 03:59 PM)ganidat Wrote: Well, how did they recover the body? Did Matkasur eat some of it at least?

Link doesn't click btw

During a moonlight machaan census there were 3 people making note of animal count at a water-hole. One of them got down to nature's call & Matka just happened to be there.

Whether he'd eaten the man is not consequential. As per Indian protocol, a tiger is given 3 chances. After which it is branded a repeat offender who's used to killing humans (&is likely to kill more if situation arises). Ustad of Ranthambore was one such case.
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(06-14-2021, 10:14 PM)Rishi Wrote: Whether he'd eaten the man is not consequential. As per Indian protocol, a tiger is given 3 chances. After which it out branded a repeat offender who's used to killing humans (&is likely to kill more if situation arises). Ustad of Ranthambore was one such case.

hello Rish

Interesting this protocol, please give more details.

I wonder if it's something rigid, like every tiger can kill up to 3 people before being eliminated/removed or the circumstantial situation caused by a successful attack can also be enough to take drastic action. With the exception of tigers that move in the core of the reserves, the vast majority of them have some form of contact with humans and, very few, become man-eaters. "With spaces being reduced, human populations on the rise, prey poaching, climate pressure, in keeping with the ecology of tigers and their natural survival challenges, the outlook is for conflicts to increase over time."

Removals are expensive and their results questionable. It's a difficult decision: wait for a new attack or take a preemptive decision. When killing a human, many questions are revealed as predictors. Ustad "lost patience with intense human harassment"-stress shaped his behavior?.
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(06-15-2021, 04:23 AM)Matias Wrote:
(06-14-2021, 10:14 PM)Rishi Wrote: Whether he'd eaten the man is not consequential. As per Indian protocol, a tiger is given 3 chances. After which it out branded a repeat offender who's used to killing humans (&is likely to kill more if situation arises). Ustad of Ranthambore was one such case.

hello Rish

Interesting this protocol, please give more details.

I wonder if it's something rigid, like every tiger can kill up to 3 people before being eliminated/removed or the circumstantial situation caused by a successful attack can also be enough to take drastic action. With the exception of tigers that move in the core of the reserves, the vast majority of them have some form of contact with humans and, very few, become man-eaters. "With spaces being reduced, human populations on the rise, prey poaching, climate pressure, in keeping with the ecology of tigers and their natural survival challenges, the outlook is for conflicts to increase over time."

Removals are expensive and their results questionable. It's a difficult decision: wait for a new attack or take a preemptive decision. When killing a human, many questions are revealed as predictors. Ustad "lost patience with intense human harassment"-stress shaped his behavior?.


The older notion of tigers getting addicted to human flesh (as if we're made of cocaine) turned out to be false, as there have been several cases reported over the years that tigers killed & partially eaten a man.. but then never repeated.
Man-eaters probably don't exist. There are just tigers who have lost their taboo about engaging people. A 2nd chance & another one is given, but no more. If further attacks happen by the same animal, whatever the reason, then you cannot risk it.

We have more than thousand tigers living in our forests sharing the land with humans, but ever few years there's a conflict animal or two. Tigers have varied personalities, some of them just are like that. It's safer to just eliminate them ASAP & bring back normalcy in the region.


PS: Same went for Ustad. If one out of 50 tigers living in the same area has a human-killing problem, then the problem lies with it only.
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News out of Bandhavgarh:

Spotty who has two 16 month olds was injured (most likely by a male). The forest department darted with antibiotics and pain killers. She was still seen limping with a slight walk:



Neeraj and Ravi both came upon a tiger in Gopalpur Tala where no tiger has been sighted in over a decade. Sitting in algae waters (which changes colour every morning and evening) was none other than Bheem.





@Rage2277, Bandhavgarh did an internal census and found that Patorwala has 12 cubs (6 more than any other zone). The male you call Muditara male was called Patorwala male on another video.

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You can see Bheem is limping in the video. It is from the winter. The naturalist, Mohan Chandra Joshi says he has been fighting with Bamerason as both of them have been sighted in the same waterhole. I am guessing we have our answer as to who injured Bamerason.

Skip to 2:30 on the video.




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(06-15-2021, 07:37 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: News out of Bandhavgarh:

Spotty who has two 16 month olds was injured (most likely by a male). The forest department darted with antibiotics and pain killers. She was still seen limping with a slight walk:



Neeraj and Ravi both came upon a tiger in Gopalpur Tala where no tiger has been sighted in over a decade. Sitting in algae waters (which changes colour every morning and evening) was none other than Bheem.





@Rage2277, Bandhavgarh did an internal census and found that Patorwala has 12 cubs (6 more than any other zone). The male you call Muditara male was called Patorwala male on another video.

@Pckts
You can see Bheem is limping in the video. It is from the winter. The naturalist, Mohan Chandra Joshi says he has been fighting with Bamerason as both of them have been sighted in the same waterhole. I am guessing we have our answer as to who injured Bamerason.

Skip to 2:30 on the video.





wonder if muditara is father of tara's cubs and tara's sis the new damdama female
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@Rage2277, Tara was Bheem’s mate when Pannalal tried mating with her. Bheem then took Pannalal out. She has always been in Khitauli. Her cubs are 7 months old. Timeline is unclear whether the cubs are Bheem’s or Chota Bheem’s as she was seen mock mating with Chota Bheem in December whereas Bheem left Khitauli in November. The cubs were conceived in July-August, so the father is one of them.

Damdama female was in Bheem’s territory of Khitauli as well. Her litter is most likely fathered by Bheem. Recently, she left Damdama canal as Chota Bheem came looking. Next, she stashed her cubs away and was photographed snarling at Chota Bheem. If he finds the cubs, he will probably kill them. 

Muditara or Patorwala’s territory is on a different side of the park. At one point his territory’s boundary was edge of Tala.
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(06-15-2021, 11:08 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: @Rage2277, Tara was Bheem’s mate when Pannalal tried mating with her. Bheem then took Pannalal out. She has always been in Khitauli. Her cubs are 7 months old. Timeline is unclear whether the cubs are Bheem’s or Chota Bheem’s as she was seen mock mating with Chota Bheem in December whereas Bheem left Khitauli in November. The cubs were conceived in July-August, so the father is one of them.

Damdama female was in Bheem’s territory of Khitauli as well. Her litter is most likely fathered by Bheem. Recently, she left Damdama canal as Chota Bheem came looking. Next, she stashed her cubs away and was photographed snarling at Chota Bheem. If he finds the cubs, he will probably kill them. 

Muditara or Patorwala’s territory is on a different side of the park. At one point his territory’s boundary was edge of Tala.

haimi the previous damdama tigress was bheem's mate figured bheem to be tara and siblings father also this guy here is muditara he was 3 to 4 here he was also competing to mate with tara..patawala is most likely his brother a likely sons of bheem                            
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@Rage2277, Damdama bacchi or Chattaipat female. She is old Damdama female’s daughter. She has 2 cubs. Here she is in Khitauli: 




Here is Chota Bheem inspecting the Damdama Nala:



Also, here is Tara with her 4 cubs from early March:



I think this is her warning him:



I am guessing both were Bheem’s mates but not the old Damdama female. Chota Bheem is most definitely Tara’s mate now.
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Chorbahuli mystery male, Pench.





D3, Bandhavgarh. Very shy and elusive.
He is also called the new blue-eyed male.



Bajrang, Bandhavgarh.



Satpura Male



Tala, Tadoba.



Bajrang, Tadoba.

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