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The Tumbela Coalition
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07-31-2022, 08:28 PM
( This post was last modified: 07-31-2022, 08:31 PM by 1ofCourage
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(07-31-2022, 08:16 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(07-31-2022, 07:56 PM)1ofCourage Wrote: When the Tintswalo males took over and Red Road lost many of his 17 cubs and one lioness, he moved his pride way down south. They went so fast and far it nearly killed his remaining cubs. A very much needed buffalo meal saved the weakest of them for sure. That Sir, is your opinion. One which I don't hold at all. I am speaking of an earlier clash when he had 17 cubs. It is all documented on Youtube. 
@Wyld@Heart very well said.
There is no such thing as being territorial male and keeping low profile/not roaring/not scent making. That male is then not territorial, yet semi-nomad/nomad. Whole pourpose of roaring and scent marking is to keep intruders out, give them to knowledge that this area is taken. For example, Skorro Jr. keeping low profile is clear sign for PC males and NK/Nhenha males that this land is not occupied and for taking. If territorial male gets invaded by bigger/stronger coalition/male , well, thats how it is, he needs to fight or flee, he cant keep low profile, because they will take his territory anyways and he cant be territorial male on other coalitions/male territory, he is nomad then, and will most likely leave this territory for search of new opportunities, or get chased out.  (07-31-2022, 06:36 PM)lionuk Wrote: From 5:52 mark- Skorro jr rejoined the Othawa Pride ...and here I thought they had those full bellies from a wildebeest kill. Nope, one wildebeest wasn't nearly enough, they had to catch a buffalo too. Interesting foursome they have created, the possibilities are fascinating. 
All this talk about how males need to roar to claim a territory and such is nice and all for groups that still have have one. But how is it going to help Skorro or the Othowas? Who already lost large portions of territory and a pride even while doing all that territorial stuff.
 (07-31-2022, 08:18 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Males are not the cornerstones of lion dynamics. They are not their leader or anything like that. The pride will remain just as stable if he is there than if he wasn't. Especially a well oiled experienced pride like the Othowas.Then with all due respect, I'm afraid you don't have much experience or knowledge of how it actually works in reality. There is no pride without a stable pride male, it's absolutely the cornerstone of lion dynamics because of the way males are hardwired in that they will instinctively kill off cubs and sub adults to bring the lionesses into estrus and then to mate. Their duty, and their normal instinct, will be to remain in that territory even while expanding and that alone provides the stability that a pride needs to grow its cubs. Males come and go, prides in a territory can stay for generations but if you take territorial males out of the equation the constant influx of new males will be deadly to cubs, prides will be forced to become nomadic more and more to save their cubs causing a domino affect and conflict as different prides start coming into contact leading to constant stress and further loss of cubs. The whole pride and territorial system will collapse. All of this is known.
That's just hyper focusing on just one aspect of lion society while completely ignoring the others.
Al a coalition does is protect a pride and thats it. The prides hunt for food, raise the cubs and teach them how to hunt etc. They also share in the protection of the cubs as well. Its like saying that the military is the most important part of a nation because they protect it. But without a stable government, food production, economy and education system. There just isn't a nation. We have seen prides being able to protect their cubs for a year without male protection. But have we ever seen a male coalition raise cubs without lionesses? Nor do nomadic prides wander around. Even in those circumstances they will stick to their own land to avoid conflicts with other prides. So the idea of somekind of domino effect of prides attacking prides is far fetched too.  (07-31-2022, 04:09 PM)Wyld@Heart Wrote:Agree!!(07-30-2022, 03:55 PM)Bellateda Wrote: The question is, is his return a good thing or bad for the pride? If he can't defend them, then he is useless, he will just attract more attention and get their food. We humans know very little about animal behavior. Any outcome is possible. 
"The Tumbela male greatfully accepted a warthog kill from the Othawa pride. He needed some food after his walkabout to the north."
Yes, he is a stunner. Any idea where he is now? As we know, Othawa pride is teetering on the edge and unfortunately seems he doesn’t have a say on the unfolding events anymore. Did he survive this latest onslaught? Any info from the rangers? Sorry for these questions, guys.
 (08-21-2022, 05:28 PM)Horizon Wrote: Yes, he is a stunner. Any idea where he is now? As we know, Othawa pride is teetering on the edge and unfortunately seems he doesn’t have a say on the unfolding events anymore. Did he survive this latest onslaught? Any info from the rangers? Sorry for these questions, guys. Unfortunately the whereabouts of Skorro (Tumbela) still remains unknown. Hope he didn't meet the same fate of Aunty Othawa. Only time will tell |
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