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the Selati coalition

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(01-16-2023, 11:27 PM)Ngonya Wrote: 3/4 Selati males "Faceoff" Rhinos
In this amazing picture we can see selati 3 and Selati 1 leaving the scene while another Selati (maybe 2 or 4) remains lying down as if there were no rhinos around.
Selati 1 (most developed mane, behind the other male) | Selati 3 (less developed mane, leading the way) | Either male no.2 or no.4 (lying down)

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Another great picture from the same situation... 
Selati #2 in the back and #3 in front

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Photo Credits: Marlon du Toit
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Selati #3: 
July/20/2013
"The bad boy. According to some ranger the best of the Selatis. As he said {Good for fighting; good for the hunt and good for the ladies}";

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"Selati #3 and #4 staying with Othawa pride on a kudu kill"
"Selati 4. He was with Othawa pride on a kudu kill. He mainly stayed with the injured cub very protective of him"; (note by me: the one in the photo is clearly Selati #3)

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July/21/2013
"Selati #3 on the Banks of Sand River near Inyati. All the four Selatis with Othawa pride";

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"Selati #1 with Othawa Pride, that day he was badly limping from an injury in one of the front paw. He surely got it in a fight with the females of the Ximhungwee pride the day one cub was killed";

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"Selati #2 staying with Othawa pride. Not a very good picture but you can see his poor condition. He looked really thin"; 

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"Very sweet and protective Selati #3 with an Othawa cub. Although he is "the bad boy" he showed a lot of patience with the cubs";

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Selati #2, clearly lost most of his mane at that time...

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Photo & Lines Credits: Juan José Rubio Coque
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Idube Game Reserve - May 2012
Two Selati males, May 13th
From left to right: 
Selati #2
Selati #1

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Four Selati males, May 13th
Selati #3 (less developed mane, first in line) | Selati #1 (most developed mane) | Selati #2 (in the background) | Selati #4 (hind legs visible in the right corner of the photo)

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Four Selati males, May 16th
From left to right:
Selati #2 (first in line) | Selati #3 (second in line) | Selati #1 (sleeping?) | Selati #4 (sleeping?)

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Two Selati males, May 18th
Called "The Buffalo Brothers" by idube, feeding after another successful kill;
Selati #3 (staring straight into the cameraman's soul) | Selati #4 (feeding in its prize)

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( This post was last modified: 06-20-2023, 07:15 PM by Ngonya )

Selati males, 2013 - by Francois Fourie
Three Selati males, January 4th
"3 of the south males on the move trailing a large herd of buffalo!"
From left to right:

Selati #3 | Selati #1 | Selati #2




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"While trailing buffalo this male bolted after a young wharthog, just a cloud of dust as the wharthogs raced of into the distance!"

(it could be either Selati #4: because of his blonde mane and healthy body | or Selati #2: that is present in the photo above and also had a slightly blonde mane, but somewhat darker)

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Selati male, January 15th
"Saw all 4 of the brothers call, maybe a challenge set for the coaltion in the east."(clearly a reference to the notorious majingilanes)
Selati #3

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Two Selati males, January 30

"Selati males took down adult buffalo bull and was quality sight for 4 days."

Selati#3

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Selati #2

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Selati male, March 28th
Selati #2 resting, by the blood in his mane, possibly after a feeding on a kill

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Selati male, April 1st

Once a magnificent male, Selati #2 is visibly deteriorated in this photo. 

lost much of his mane, unfortunately the condition of the former coalition leader would only get worse from there


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- 2013 - 
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November, 2013
Selati males steal zebra foal kill from a lioness back in november 2013.
The males seen in these situation are Selati #3 (D[i]arker m[i]ane) [/i]& Selati #4 (Lighter mane)[/i]
"Two of the Selati male lions steal this zebra foal from a lioness"

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LONDOLOZI - posted september 16, 2011
Sighting of the 4 selatis hunting buffalo in Londolozi back in 2011. Nomades in Sabi Sand

"The South Pride Males walk purposefully across the open plains of southern Londolozi. This was to be the start of a dramatic morning..."
Selati #4 (short maned) | Selati #1 (bigger mane)

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"One of the males walks away from a pan after having a quick drink in preparation for their hunt: they had spotted a herd of buffalo in the distance."
Selati #2

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"Perhaps analyzing their tactics, the South Pride Males look at the buffalo herd. They would disappear into the thicket between them and the herd, spread out and crouched, while we waited for the outcome."

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"In a sudden burst movement, the South Pride pounce on an older buffalo who had dropped back from the herd."

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"After a struggle, the buffalo collapses under the weight of the lions."

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"Never animals to go down without a fight, the buffalo rolls over, kicking one of the lions. Another tries to pin down the head in order to suffocate it by covering its nose with his mouth."

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"The buffalo gives everything it has to defend itself from the lions."


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"It took about 35 heart-wrenching minutes for the buffalo to finally die, from the time the lions brought it to the ground. For the South Pride, the struggle was worth it: they fed for the following four days on the carcass."
Selati #4 ; cover in blood

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Credits: Londolozi
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(08-14-2023, 06:44 PM)Ngonya Wrote: LONDOLOZI - posted september 16, 2011
Sighting of the 4 selatis hunting buffalo in Londolozi back in 2011. Nomades in Sabi Sand

"The South Pride Males walk purposefully across the open plains of southern Londolozi. This was to be the start of a dramatic morning..."
Selati #4 (short maned) | Selati #1 (bigger mane)

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"One of the males walks away from a pan after having a quick drink in preparation for their hunt: they had spotted a herd of buffalo in the distance."
Selati #2

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"Perhaps analyzing their tactics, the South Pride Males look at the buffalo herd. They would disappear into the thicket between them and the herd, spread out and crouched, while we waited for the outcome."

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"In a sudden burst movement, the South Pride pounce on an older buffalo who had dropped back from the herd."

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"After a struggle, the buffalo collapses under the weight of the lions."

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"Never animals to go down without a fight, the buffalo rolls over, kicking one of the lions. Another tries to pin down the head in order to suffocate it by covering its nose with his mouth."

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"The buffalo gives everything it has to defend itself from the lions."


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"It took about 35 heart-wrenching minutes for the buffalo to finally die, from the time the lions brought it to the ground. For the South Pride, the struggle was worth it: they fed for the following four days on the carcass."
Selati #4 ; cover in blood

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Credits: Londolozi

With all of your posts, I've come to understand that the Selatis were more successful, and much more well documented, than I had previously thought. They sure could catch a lot of buffalo too.
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@BA0701 thank you so much, i appreciate it;

also new video posted by 'the mapogos lions' channel:
The Selati males killing young Othawa male



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Selati males, posted: November 15, 2012
Selati male number 2, still in good condition at that time.

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Selati males, posted: November 16, 2012
Big boy Selati male number 1

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2 Selatis males:
The magnificent blonde maned boys, Selati #4 (in the background) & Selati #2 (in front)

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Selati #4 stood up

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3/4 Selati boys
Selati #2 more raised and two of his brothers lying down

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April 2013
Incredible footage of a standoff between all 4 Selatis and a herd of buffalo... (by Francois Gilbert Collin )
"We were following the herd of buffalo and hoping to encounter the Selati Boys that had been tailing the herd for a couple of days.  Suddenly we heard the distress call from a buffalo.  George, the very experienced ranger from Inyati Private Game Lodge put the Land Cruiser into gear and we crashed through the bushes in the direction of the sound. In less than a minute we were looking at a standoff between the 'Selati Male Lion Coalition' and some very upset and disturbed buffaloes."



"The buffalo that had made the distress call was down and kicking.  This was less than five minutes after the initial distress call. The rest of the buffalo started moving closer and getting more and more upset with the lions.  George, our ranger from Inyati Private Game Lodge parked the Land Cruiser in the best location possible so we would have a grandstand view of the unfolding events, a standoff between the 'Selati Male Lion Coalition' and the herd.  With the lions defending their 'kill' and the buffalo wanting to recover a member of the herd."



"The critical moment when the buffalo go in for the strike and the Selati Male Lion Coalition defence formation starts to crumble!"



"After the Selati defence is broken, the skinny one (Selati #2) is left behind holding on desperately to his meal. The buffalo rally for a further rescue attempt and toss him, forcing him to run away.  After the last of the Selati Lions moves off, the buffalo manage to get the wounded buffalo miraculously back onto her feet after having had lions at her throat for over 5 minutes!  We spent some time looking on, and then moved off to attempt to relocate all four of the Selatis, and to see if there were any visible injuries from the encounter."




"Buffalo.... The morning after"

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"The skinny Selati (#2) hanging out right next to his meal the morning after"
Selati #2 was the one that was holding on the the buffalo's throat in the kill zone. He also the one that stood fast and did not let go and run until the other buffalo's tossed him off the kill... 
Definitely a tough male

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(09-11-2023, 02:11 AM)Ngonya Wrote: April 2013
Incredible footage of a standoff between all 4 Selatis and a herd of buffalo... (by Francois Gilbert Collin )
"We were following the herd of buffalo and hoping to encounter the Selati Boys that had been tailing the herd for a couple of days.  Suddenly we heard the distress call from a buffalo.  George, the very experienced ranger from Inyati Private Game Lodge put the Land Cruiser into gear and we crashed through the bushes in the direction of the sound. In less than a minute we were looking at a standoff between the 'Selati Male Lion Coalition' and some very upset and disturbed buffaloes."



"The buffalo that had made the distress call was down and kicking.  This was less than five minutes after the initial distress call. The rest of the buffalo started moving closer and getting more and more upset with the lions.  George, our ranger from Inyati Private Game Lodge parked the Land Cruiser in the best location possible so we would have a grandstand view of the unfolding events, a standoff between the 'Selati Male Lion Coalition' and the herd.  With the lions defending their 'kill' and the buffalo wanting to recover a member of the herd."



"The critical moment when the buffalo go in for the strike and the Selati Male Lion Coalition defence formation starts to crumble!"



"After the Selati defence is broken, the skinny one (Selati #2) is left behind holding on desperately to his meal. The buffalo rally for a further rescue attempt and toss him, forcing him to run away.  After the last of the Selati Lions moves off, the buffalo manage to get the wounded buffalo miraculously back onto her feet after having had lions at her throat for over 5 minutes!  We spent some time looking on, and then moved off to attempt to relocate all four of the Selatis, and to see if there were any visible injuries from the encounter."




"Buffalo.... The morning after"

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"The skinny Selati (#2) hanging out right next to his meal the morning after"
Selati #2 was the one that was holding on the the buffalo's throat in the kill zone. He also the one that stood fast and did not let go and run until the other buffalo's tossed him off the kill... 
Definitely a tough male

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This was one year after they killed Mr. T. Selati 2's health deteriorated quickly, having looked good in November 2012, and then by April 2013 he is very thin and sickly looking. My guess would be TB, from his appearance, and sadly that is a very painful and prolonged way to go.
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(09-11-2023, 02:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This was one year after they killed Mr. T. Selati 2's health deteriorated quickly, having looked good in November 2012, and then by April 2013 he is very thin and sickly looking. My guess would be TB, from his appearance, and sadly that is a very painful and prolonged way to go.
The author of the post mentions the condition of male no.2 in the comments of one of his Facebook posts. He claims he heard different stories...
Selati #2 could have been injured in some territorial fight (Majingilane). Which I particularly doubt, since he never had exposed wounds on any occasion...

Another story mentions that he was kicked in the ribs by a buffalo in some situation... (which could have caused internal injuries). which i believe has a greater chance of being true.
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(09-11-2023, 02:42 AM)Ngonya Wrote:
(09-11-2023, 02:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This was one year after they killed Mr. T. Selati 2's health deteriorated quickly, having looked good in November 2012, and then by April 2013 he is very thin and sickly looking. My guess would be TB, from his appearance, and sadly that is a very painful and prolonged way to go.
The author of the post mentions the condition of male no.2 in the comments of one of his Facebook posts. He claims he heard different stories...
Selati #2 could have been injured in some territorial fight (Majingilane). Which I particularly doubt, since he never had exposed wounds on any occasion...

Another story mentions that he was kicked in the ribs by a buffalo in some situation... (which could have caused internal injuries). which i believe has a greater chance of being true.

Certainly a possibility, with the sheer number of buffalo those boys brought down, such hunts carry a lot of risks for sure.
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Southern/Selati males in March 2012, before killing Mr T, tensions were rising between Mapogo and Selati...
male #3

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male #2

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