The Java Tiger (Panthera tigris sondaica)

[Polar]

Is there a translated edition of it? Reply

[peter]

Mods,

Can you transfer the previous post (post 77) to the tiger extinction thread? I need it there in order to prevent clicking my way into oblivion. Thanks.


Edit: Post has been shifted to Tiger Extinction thread : http://wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-e...5#pid36715
It is reply of above post of Polar Reply

[Pckts]

No idea if this true, but worth posting.

Save The Sumatran Tiger (Raise Awareness)

Not Sumatran, but if verified looks like a Javan Tiger has been caught on camera trap.

https://twitter.com/mega_mbak/status/849470423683272704 Reply

[Rishi]

(04-20-2017, 09:03 PM)Pckts Wrote: No idea if this true, but worth posting.

Save The Sumatran Tiger (Raise Awareness)

Not Sumatran, but if verified looks like a Javan Tiger has been caught on camera trap.

https://twitter.com/mega_mbak/status/849470423683272704

Quote:HOT NEWS: Sight of Javan Tiger in Mt. Arjuno Went Viral

Submitted by ProFauna on Mon, 06/27/2016 - 15:57

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VIVA.co.id - For the past few days, social media has been rattled by a photo of what was claimed to be a Javan Tiger, which roamed the forest around Mt. Arjuno, East Java.
The photo was posted on Facebook by a user named Lantas Sembodo on 24 June 2016. In the caption, this user wrote that everyone climbing the mountain passing the trail between Mt. Mujur and Mt. Indrokilo should be aware of the tiger.
That photo has been shared over 700 times by other users.
In the photo, we would see a tiger walking on a small path in a forested area. The photo was taken from above, which makes it unclear where the photo was taken.
Therefore, many people doubted the originality of the photo. Iwan Kurniawan, the project manager of Javan Langur Center in Batu, said that the forest around Mt. Mujur and Mt. Indrokilo is not in a good state. Thus, it is obscure that the declared-extintct  Javan Tiger would live there.
"In general, the forest of Mt. Arjuno is in a bad condition. Many habitats of wildlife has been destructed and converted into farms. It is quite impossible for a tiger to live there," said Iwan on 25 June 2016.
Meanwhile, agreeing with JLC, another organization working for wildlife and forest conservation, PROFAUNA, also doubt the facts contained by the photo. PROFAUNA's chairman, Rosek Nursahid, told our reporter that PROFAUNA is very familiar with the area.
"There were reported sightings of a Javan Tiger, but we have never seen one. Only the Javan Leopard has been confirmed to occur there," said Rosek.
Although doubting the photo, Rosek added that PROFAUNA will do a field check to confirm the verity of the claim. If it is later proven true, the concerning authorities can perform stricter vigilance on this area because it is also a favorite site for hunters.
Source: VIVA.co.id

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PROFAUNA Indonesia's team during a survey in Mt. Arjuno to confirm the sighting of a Javan Tiger.

I saw this pic quite a while back...Before I created my wildfact profile in January. But then this... http://m.viva.co.id/berita/nasional/7908...ung-arjuno

Any further info on the follow up camera trap expedition results..?? #FingersCrossed Reply

[phatio]

(04-20-2017, 10:03 PM)Rishi Wrote:

(04-20-2017, 09:03 PM)Pckts Wrote: No idea if this true, but worth posting.

Save The Sumatran Tiger (Raise Awareness)

Not Sumatran, but if verified looks like a Javan Tiger has been caught on camera trap.

https://twitter.com/mega_mbak/status/849470423683272704

Quote:HOT NEWS: Sight of Javan Tiger in Mt. Arjuno Went Viral

Submitted by ProFauna on Mon, 06/27/2016 - 15:57

*This image is copyright of its original author

VIVA.co.id - For the past few days, social media has been rattled by a photo of what was claimed to be a Javan Tiger, which roamed the forest around Mt. Arjuno, East Java.
The photo was posted on Facebook by a user named Lantas Sembodo on 24 June 2016. In the caption, this user wrote that everyone climbing the mountain passing the trail between Mt. Mujur and Mt. Indrokilo should be aware of the tiger.
That photo has been shared over 700 times by other users.
In the photo, we would see a tiger walking on a small path in a forested area. The photo was taken from above, which makes it unclear where the photo was taken.
Therefore, many people doubted the originality of the photo. Iwan Kurniawan, the project manager of Javan Langur Center in Batu, said that the forest around Mt. Mujur and Mt. Indrokilo is not in a good state. Thus, it is obscure that the declared-extintct  Javan Tiger would live there.
"In general, the forest of Mt. Arjuno is in a bad condition. Many habitats of wildlife has been destructed and converted into farms. It is quite impossible for a tiger to live there," said Iwan on 25 June 2016.
Meanwhile, agreeing with JLC, another organization working for wildlife and forest conservation, PROFAUNA, also doubt the facts contained by the photo. PROFAUNA's chairman, Rosek Nursahid, told our reporter that PROFAUNA is very familiar with the area.
"There were reported sightings of a Javan Tiger, but we have never seen one. Only the Javan Leopard has been confirmed to occur there," said Rosek.
Although doubting the photo, Rosek added that PROFAUNA will do a field check to confirm the verity of the claim. If it is later proven true, the concerning authorities can perform stricter vigilance on this area because it is also a favorite site for hunters.
Source: VIVA.co.id

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PROFAUNA Indonesia's team during a survey in Mt. Arjuno to confirm the sighting of a Javan Tiger.

I saw this pic quite a while back...Before I created my wildcat profile in January. But then this... http://m.viva.co.id/berita/nasional/7908...ung-arjuno

Any further info on the follow up camera trap expedition results..?? #FingersCrossed

Unfortunately thats not true. the picture confirmed as a bengal tiger from Taman Safari Park in Pasuruan, East Java. Don't know why people like to spreading fake news nowadays. Reply

[phatio]

As we all know the Javan tiger was never captured on colored pictures. in fact the only genuine wild Javan Tiger alive ever captured on camera  is the one photographed by Andries Hoogerwerf in Ujung Kulon National Park, 1938. 

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Then what did this island tiger really look like in colored picture? Well we may never know as they were declared extinct fiew decades ago.  
So i try my best to colourizing this famous black and white picture and here's the result. 

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of course it can't be 100% accurate but i think it’s still interesting to imagine how Andries Hoogerwerf really saw in the jungle that lucky day. Reply

[sanjay]

Incredible talent and well crafted. Reply

[Rishi]

(06-19-2017, 06:58 PM)phatio Wrote: As we all know the Javan tiger was never captured on colored pictures. in fact the only genuine wild Javan Tiger alive ever captured on camera  is the one photographed by Andries Hoogerwerf in Ujung Kulon National Park, 1938. 

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Then what did this island tiger really look like in colored picture? Well we may never know as they were declared extinct fiew decades ago.  
So i try my best to colourizing this famous black and white picture and here's the result. 

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of course it can't be 100% accurate but i think it’s still interesting to imagine how Andries Hoogerwerf really saw in the jungle that lucky day.

It's nearly 100% accurate... just some identifiable scrubs/grass (green) & dry leaves (dust brown) on the ground are left.... Reply

[peter]

Well done, Phatio. 

Based on what I saw and read, the ground colour could have been even darker. Same for the stripes (very black). The reason of outspoken colours could be a combination of climate (colours often seem more intense in the tropics, possibly partly as a result of the powerful sun), low but dense forest with many trees of smallish size and bamboo (resulting in narrow and very black shades, especially in the night) and the habit to hunt in twilight and early morning. Reply

[phatio]

(06-20-2017, 06:18 AM)peter Wrote: Well done, Phatio. 

Based on what I saw and read, the ground colour could have been even darker. Same for the stripes (very black). The reason of outspoken colours could be a combination of climate (colours often seem more intense in the tropics, possibly partly as a result of the powerful sun), low but dense forest with many trees of smallish size and bamboo (resulting in narrow and very black shades, especially in the night) and the habit to hunt in twilight and early morning.

Yup, that's exactly what i thought Peter. after I had finished it I realized that the tiger's ground colour is way brighter than it should be. 
so i try to colouring another black and white photo and this time i give the dead male javan tiger a darker coat.  well it was harder than I thought but but it was worth a try. 

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Another specimen, this time the coloured photo is not my work, its from another member from javan tiger facebook community. 
i think he did a great job as the tigress from Malimping Banten West Java here looks better than my work

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[Diamir2]

Java Tiger - Banteng Udjung Kulon: The Land of the Last Javan Rhinoceros : A. Hoogerwerf
https://books.google.ru/books?id=pc4UAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Udjung+Kulon:The+Land+of+the+Last+Javan+rhinoceros+Hoogerwerf+banteng+tiger&hl=ru&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJveK3x7nWAhWDJ5oKHedRBbAQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Udjung%20Kulon%3AThe%20Land%20of%20the%20Last%20Javan%20rhinoceros%20Hoogerwerf%20banteng%20tiger&f=false
http://diamtiger.blogspot.ru/

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[Rishi]

Was the "Bali Tiger" ever even an actual thing? Were there any genetic studies to ascertain their subspecies status, like it happened with the Malayan tigers?

The isles of Java & Bali are separated from each other by only a narrow straight, less then 2km wide at its narrowest today! 

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This is how close Bali is to Java...

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There's a strong possibility that the two were connected until the last Ice Age ended 10k years ago. Isn't that little time not enough to develop into a completely new subspecies?

Also that should have been crossably narrow at low-tide in historical times. Could it be that Bali tigers were to Java tigers, merely what Sundarban tigers are to Bengal tigers? Reply

[Wolverine]

Bali tigers:

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[sanjay]

We are missing @phatio . Where are you buddy ? Reply

[GuateGojira]

(05-27-2018, 05:01 AM)Rishi Wrote: Was the "Bali Tiger" ever even an actual thing? Were there any genetic studies to ascertain their subspecies status, like it happened with the Malayan tigers?

The isles of Java & Bali are separated from each other by only a narrow straight, less then 2km wide at its narrowest today! 

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This is how close Bali is to Java...

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There's a strong possibility that the two were connected until the last Ice Age ended 10k years ago. Isn't that little time not enough to develop into a completely new subspecies?

Also that should have been crossably narrow at low-tide in historical times. Could it be that Bali tigers were to Java tigers, merely what Sundarban tigers are to Bengal tigers?

There is no doubt that tiger do lived in Bali, but its "subspecies" status and its claimed size is very doubtfull.

To be honest, we only know 5 skulls of female specimens (one is even a subadult - Senckenberg Museum No. 2576) and 3 males, togheter with a few skins that do not represent the real size of the previous owner. Measurements from hunters gathered by Sody suggest animals of the same size than those of the other islands (excluding the 300 cm specimen, which is an exageration or a skin measurement). In fact, there is no good information to claim that the Bali tiger was so small as Mazák suggested.

We must remember that there are no real measurements from Bali tigers except from the large Gondol male, which was of the same size that an Sumatran/Javan tiger, its skull fits very well with the other populations. Also, if we check the size of the specimens hunted in litterature, they are not small at all, they match the size of the Sumatra/Java male tigers, again.

Give me time and I promises that today I will post all the information about the size and DNA studies of the Bali tiger that I have. Reply