Size comparisons

[Pckts]

(06-10-2020, 07:57 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: Dharma male leopard, Nicolita female jaguar and Jade female tiger:

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By BJWT.

Jade is the Jaguar and Nicolita is the Tiger. Reply

[Balam]

@Pckts thanks for the clarification Reply

[DinoFan83]

I may have posted this in this thread already but I don't think I did, so here goes.

Carcharodontosaurus vs Purussaurus, max vs max (SGM-DIN 1 vs UFAC 1403).
Carcharodontosaurus is 12.95 meters and 9+ tonnes, while Purussaurus is 10.3 meters and 6.2 tonnes. Skeletals by SpinoInWonderland and Randomdinos.

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[Dark Jaguar]

Pantanal Jaguar and Sumatran Tiger.

credits: Dr. Neil Franklin ( for the tiger pic ) and Hermann Brehm ( for the jaguar pic ).

''Caption- Jaguar (Panthera onca) male walking, Pantanal, Brazil. ''

''Photograph of a Sumatran tiger in the wild, via Richard Ness, taken by a camera trap set in Sumatra by Dr. Neil Franklin from The Tiger Foundation.''

https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/97617...nal-brazil

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2008/11/thr...an-tigers/

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[DinoFan83]

SGM-DIN 1 (12.95 meters, 9+ tonnes) vs MUCPv-Ch1 (12.32 meters, 7.53 tonnes). Skeletals by SpinoInWonderland and GetAwayTrike.

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[Balam]

Pleistocene jaguar comparison with human

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Comparison by Alessandro Di Gregorio Reply

[Balam]

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"Spectacled caiman meets its great relative, the endangered Orinoco crocodile. Thanks to extensive conservation efforts, the Orinoco crocodile, one of the world's largest crocodiles, is once again inhabiting the Orinoquía region's rivers and waterholes. Numbers remain low and ongoing conservation measures and its protection are required. Spectacled caimans, though much smaller, are larger in numbers and make up for fierce competition to secure food."

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[DinoFan83]

Largest specimens of Carcharodontosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Purussaurus, and Spinosaurus (SGM-DIN 1, MUCPv-95, UFAC 1403, and NMC 41852).
Carcharodontosaurus is scaled to 12.95+ meters and is 9+ tonnes, Giganotosaurus is scaled to 13.3 meters and is 9.49 tonnes, Purussaurus is scaled to 10.3 meters and is 6.2 tonnes, and Spinosaurus is scaled to 75 cm humerus and is 13.27 tonnes. Skeletals by SpinoInWonderland, GetAwayTrike, Randomdinos, and Ibrahim et al. 2020, respectively.

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[Pckts]

(06-14-2020, 04:48 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: Pleistocene jaguar comparison with human

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Comparison by Alessandro Di Gregorio

Looks like a weight over-exaggeration. Reply

[Pckts]

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[Balam]

@Pckts I'm not sure where the weight data was taken from, but body proportions seem reasonable. 230 kg in weight would've been more accurate. Reply

[Pckts]

(06-17-2020, 10:34 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Pckts I'm not sure where the weight data was taken from, but body proportions seem reasonable. 230 kg in weight would've been more accurate.

It's a really short shoulder 2'9'' and TBL 8'6'' or 6'6'' HBL *Tails are usually 2' ish* but would realistically be longer than that with a longer Body Length. 

If it's 8'6'' HBL and an additional 2'3'' ish for a tail, that's a 10'9'' Cat which is considered a huge Tiger but very short in the shoulder.
That should reach 230kg no issue, but we'd have to know if they're talking about HBL or TBL. Reply

[Balam]

(06-17-2020, 10:58 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(06-17-2020, 10:34 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Pckts I'm not sure where the weight data was taken from, but body proportions seem reasonable. 230 kg in weight would've been more accurate.

It's a really short shoulder 2'9'' and TBL 8'6'' or 6'6'' HBL *Tails are usually 2' ish* but would realistically be longer than that with a longer Body Length. 

If it's 8'6'' HBL and an additional 2'3'' ish for a tail, that's a 10'9'' Cat which is considered a huge Tiger but very short in the shoulder.
That should reach 230kg no issue, but we'd have to know if they're talking about HBL or TBL.

It's hard to say because jaguar body proportions vary depending on individuals as well populations. For example, I've noticed that Llanos jaguars tend to have significantly longer tails than Pantanal jaguars normally, and in the case for mesembrina it's hard to gage what their exact proportions where when the fossil record is scarce. Jaguars in general do have shorter limbs than other large felids, so the height of 0.9 is pretty reasonable for an animal that packs weight in a more compact manner. Reply

[Pckts]

(06-17-2020, 11:07 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(06-17-2020, 10:58 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(06-17-2020, 10:34 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Pckts I'm not sure where the weight data was taken from, but body proportions seem reasonable. 230 kg in weight would've been more accurate.

It's a really short shoulder 2'9'' and TBL 8'6'' or 6'6'' HBL *Tails are usually 2' ish* but would realistically be longer than that with a longer Body Length. 

If it's 8'6'' HBL and an additional 2'3'' ish for a tail, that's a 10'9'' Cat which is considered a huge Tiger but very short in the shoulder.
That should reach 230kg no issue, but we'd have to know if they're talking about HBL or TBL.

It's hard to say because jaguar body proportions vary depending on individuals as well populations. For example, I've noticed that Llanos jaguars tend to have significantly longer tails than Pantanal jaguars normally, and in the case for mesembrina it's hard to gage what their exact proportions where when the fossil record is scarce. Jaguars in general do have shorter limbs than other large felids, so the height of 0.9 is pretty reasonable for an animal that packs weight in a more compact manner.

True about shoulder height but we don't know about Tail measurements.
But a Sumatran Tiger generally has a slightly larger shoulder height than a  Pantanal Jaguar at around 30'', but nothing drastic with overlapping weight, maybe a slight advantage for the S. Tiger.
So I think their mass distribution is similar, with a slight advantage to the Jaguar lb for lb. That being said, the only way a Jaguar would be near that 230kg mark with those dimensions would have to be an extremely long cat.
Either way, 230kg is possible but 270kg isn't IMO. Reply

[Balam]

(06-17-2020, 11:17 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(06-17-2020, 11:07 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(06-17-2020, 10:58 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(06-17-2020, 10:34 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Pckts I'm not sure where the weight data was taken from, but body proportions seem reasonable. 230 kg in weight would've been more accurate.

It's a really short shoulder 2'9'' and TBL 8'6'' or 6'6'' HBL *Tails are usually 2' ish* but would realistically be longer than that with a longer Body Length. 

If it's 8'6'' HBL and an additional 2'3'' ish for a tail, that's a 10'9'' Cat which is considered a huge Tiger but very short in the shoulder.
That should reach 230kg no issue, but we'd have to know if they're talking about HBL or TBL.

It's hard to say because jaguar body proportions vary depending on individuals as well populations. For example, I've noticed that Llanos jaguars tend to have significantly longer tails than Pantanal jaguars normally, and in the case for mesembrina it's hard to gage what their exact proportions where when the fossil record is scarce. Jaguars in general do have shorter limbs than other large felids, so the height of 0.9 is pretty reasonable for an animal that packs weight in a more compact manner.

True about shoulder height but we don't know about Tail measurements.
But a Sumatran Tiger generally has a slightly larger shoulder height than a  Pantanal Jaguar at around 30'', but nothing drastic with overlapping weight, maybe a slight advantage for the S. Tiger.
So I think their mass distribution is similar, with a slight advantage to the Jaguar lb for lb. That being said, the only way a Jaguar would be near that 230kg mark with those dimensions would have to be an extremely long cat.
Either way, 230kg is possible but 270kg isn't IMO.

Yeah, I agree that 270 seems unlikely, at least with the fossil record we have. So far the highest value calculated for P. o. mesembrina is 243 kg. Reply