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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers

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( This post was last modified: 04-12-2021, 09:09 AM by sanjay )

(06-23-2017, 02:49 AM)Dr Panthera Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:25 AM)Pckts Wrote: Small compared to Selous or the Serengeti is one thing, Tanzania holds 16,830 lions in 2010, and the serengeti and Selous are the two largest reserves with in Tanzani, between the two, they hold 12,117 lions if you include Tarangire. So more than half of all lions in the world exist there, compare that to of 3,000 total tigers left in the wild and most likely less than that in india. From a scientific standpoint I get what you're saying but from a practical standpoint, the reserves are massive, they can easily sustain more tigers and we really only know about a fraction of the tigers that live there, so I certainly wouldn't say they live in small isolated reserves.

Camera traps are fantastic tools but they too aren't with out flaws, many animals have learned to avoid them and even the ones they use in Kanha are few and far between, usually in areas where tiger traffic is well known and easily accessible to humans. The forest of Kanha and Pench have many terrains and the higher you go the harder it is to trek obviously but that doesn't mean that it's hard for the tiger, tigers are as dense there as they are in other areas of the same reserve we just don't get to see them as often.

I agree that young or weak tigers are pushed to the fringes, but the area between prime habitat and the fringes are massive, at least the areas I saw. This is of course, to the naked eye. In terms of conservation, the amount of area they have left isn't satisfactory, they need more, much more. But if we were to sustain their existing territory from here on out and turn up our poaching patrol and destroy the wild animal trade, stop our intrusion into their remaining habitat, there is no reason that the remaining protected areas couldn't sustain a large and satisfactory ecosystem for the rest of time IMO.

I agree 100% with your assessment on dosage, you're the absolute expert and I differ to your expertise and enjoy your posts whenever you decide to do so.
@Dr panther

Nothing would please me more than having tigers fill all possible habitat and build up a robust population ensuring genetic enrichment and the future of the species, however your "optimism" is not shared by tiger biologists or all tiger conservation specialists, we need to consider the following:

* The Central Indian landscape is a promising habitat with several TCAs ( Tiger Conservation Areas)

* Tigers like all solitary large carnivores need massive territories a 1000 square kilometer reserve would provide space for about 100 adult tigers ( space wise)

* Tigers also need sufficient prey base ...an empty forest may have enough space but what would tigers eat? They can't live on muntjac, monkeys, and rodents. The Russian far east forests have enough undisturbed space but barely any prey ( tiger density less than 1/100 square kilometers) , In Sumatra, Malaysia, and Thailand there are massive protected areas but then again not enough prey ( tiger densities 1 to 4 tigers/100 square kilometers ) ..we need to build up the prey base and conserve it to protect tigers ( food wise).

* India has 1.2 billion people more than the population of any continent except Asia , hundreds of millions of Indians live in rural areas and are poor, their livelihoods may depend on resources in tiger habitat and the conflict seems inevitable, the lessons of Panna and Sariska were very painful ( where poachers wiped out the tigers there and we needed to re-introduce them ) active anti-poaching effort is crucially important.


hello,can you tell me how big is the biggest female tiger in history,include weight,shoulder height and total length,thank you.
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(04-12-2021, 03:14 AM)PrettyUgly Wrote: Howb is the largest tigress in history,include weight and long and shoulder height.

177 kg, 282 cm total length, 184 cm headbody length, 91 cm shoulder height

These stats may belong to different tigresses (like weight comes from different tigress, length from different), but are the max in their regards
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(04-12-2021, 01:08 PM)Khan85 Wrote:
(04-12-2021, 03:14 AM)PrettyUgly Wrote: Howb is the largest tigress in history,include weight and long and shoulder height.

177 kg, 282 cm total length, 184 cm headbody length, 91 cm shoulder height

These stats may belong to different tigresses (like weight comes from different tigress, length from different), but are the max in their regards

So,is lioness bigger than tigress?
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(04-13-2021, 12:01 AM)PrettyUgly Wrote:
(04-12-2021, 01:08 PM)Khan85 Wrote:
(04-12-2021, 03:14 AM)PrettyUgly Wrote: Howb is the largest tigress in history,include weight and long and shoulder height.

177 kg, 282 cm total length, 184 cm headbody length, 91 cm shoulder height

These stats may belong to different tigresses (like weight comes from different tigress, length from different), but are the max in their regards

So,is lioness bigger than tigress?
In what regard?
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(01-15-2021, 12:43 AM)Khan85 Wrote: Rather small sized (height/length wise) male tiger translocated from Corbett to Rajaji 

Age - 6 years

Headbody length = 67 inches / 170.18 cms
Total length = 8 ft 9 inches / 266.7 cms
Shoulder height (extended paw) = 38 inches / 96.52 cms ;; (subtracting the paw length) = 81.28 cms
Weight = 215 kgs





Was this tiger empty stomach? His belly at the last scenes is looking somehow blowed...

The rest... seems like a healthy tiger.
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(04-23-2021, 04:45 AM)CatLover Wrote:
(01-15-2021, 12:43 AM)Khan85 Wrote: Rather small sized (height/length wise) male tiger translocated from Corbett to Rajaji 

Age - 6 years

Headbody length = 67 inches / 170.18 cms
Total length = 8 ft 9 inches / 266.7 cms
Shoulder height (extended paw) = 38 inches / 96.52 cms ;; (subtracting the paw length) = 81.28 cms
Weight = 215 kgs





Was this tiger empty stomach? His belly at the last scenes is looking somehow blowed...

The rest... seems like a healthy tiger.
Stomach content wasn't mentioned.
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I came across some data on shoulder heights of Amur tigers, which I guess has been previously discussed in this forum

   

I was confused by some things...


I calculated the averages and it says average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.9 cm .............. (i)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Average from withers to wrist = 93.9 cm .............. (ii)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Difference = 114.9 - 93.9 = 21 cm 
Meaning Paw length = 21 cm 

But there was some discussion on the Baidu forum that the measurement from the withers to the wrist is somehow not the actual shoulder height. 
They suggested that to find the total height, we need to add the thickness of the paw pad as well, and in that case the difference of 21 cm between both the methods (i and ii) reduces to 14.2 cm. I tried searching in the forum on how they got the difference of 14.2 cm but couldn't find it

However, using this case, average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.1 cm 
(Here, tiger no. 8 is included because only first measurement is required) 

And final average = 114.1 - 14.2 cm = 99.9 cm 

I wanted to know if this discussion has already taken place, that how they reached the difference of 14.2 cm. Also, I wanted to know if the correct method of measurement is from withers to paw pad or withers to wrist as mentioned in the various tables that posters have made. 


   
                                                  
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(05-13-2021, 06:26 PM)Khan85 Wrote: I came across some data on shoulder heights of Amur tigers, which I guess has been previously discussed in this forum



I was confused by some things...


I calculated the averages and it says average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.9 cm .............. (i)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Average from withers to wrist = 93.9 cm .............. (ii)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Difference = 114.9 - 93.9 = 21 cm 
Meaning Paw length = 21 cm 

But there was some discussion on the Baidu forum that the measurement from the withers to the wrist is somehow not the actual shoulder height. 
They suggested that to find the total height, we need to add the thickness of the paw pad as well, and in that case the difference of 21 cm between both the methods (i and ii) reduces to 14.2 cm. I tried searching in the forum on how they got the difference of 14.2 cm but couldn't find it

However, using this case, average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.1 cm 
(Here, tiger no. 8 is included because only first measurement is required) 

And final average = 114.1 - 14.2 cm = 99.9 cm 

I wanted to know if this discussion has already taken place, that how they reached the difference of 14.2 cm. Also, I wanted to know if the correct method of measurement is from withers to paw pad or withers to wrist as mentioned in the various tables that posters have made. 


   
                                                  

The most accurate shoulder height measurements is from parallel to the top of the shoulder down to the heel pad in a straight line. There will definitely be a difference if you measure only to the wrist but how much of a difference I’m not sure of.
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(05-13-2021, 07:25 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(05-13-2021, 06:26 PM)Khan85 Wrote: I came across some data on shoulder heights of Amur tigers, which I guess has been previously discussed in this forum



I was confused by some things...


I calculated the averages and it says average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.9 cm .............. (i)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Average from withers to wrist = 93.9 cm .............. (ii)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Difference = 114.9 - 93.9 = 21 cm 
Meaning Paw length = 21 cm 

But there was some discussion on the Baidu forum that the measurement from the withers to the wrist is somehow not the actual shoulder height. 
They suggested that to find the total height, we need to add the thickness of the paw pad as well, and in that case the difference of 21 cm between both the methods (i and ii) reduces to 14.2 cm. I tried searching in the forum on how they got the difference of 14.2 cm but couldn't find it

However, using this case, average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.1 cm 
(Here, tiger no. 8 is included because only first measurement is required) 

And final average = 114.1 - 14.2 cm = 99.9 cm 

I wanted to know if this discussion has already taken place, that how they reached the difference of 14.2 cm. Also, I wanted to know if the correct method of measurement is from withers to paw pad or withers to wrist as mentioned in the various tables that posters have made. 


   
                                                  

The most accurate shoulder height measurements is from parallel to the top of the shoulder down to the heel pad in a straight line. There will definitely be a difference if you measure only to the wrist but how much of a difference I’m not sure of.

Yeah... in the paper it says that difference between tip of the paw and wrist is 21 cm
and according to the guys on Baidu, difference between tip of the paw and heel pad is 14.2 cm meaning that distance from wrist to heel pad is 6.8 cm
This should mean that in the tables for siberian tigers, 95 cm is less than the actual standing height
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(05-13-2021, 07:29 PM)Khan85 Wrote:
(05-13-2021, 07:25 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(05-13-2021, 06:26 PM)Khan85 Wrote: I came across some data on shoulder heights of Amur tigers, which I guess has been previously discussed in this forum



I was confused by some things...


I calculated the averages and it says average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.9 cm .............. (i)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Average from withers to wrist = 93.9 cm .............. (ii)
(removing one emaciated tiger of 125 kg and tiger no. 8 because both measurements are not given) 

Difference = 114.9 - 93.9 = 21 cm 
Meaning Paw length = 21 cm 

But there was some discussion on the Baidu forum that the measurement from the withers to the wrist is somehow not the actual shoulder height. 
They suggested that to find the total height, we need to add the thickness of the paw pad as well, and in that case the difference of 21 cm between both the methods (i and ii) reduces to 14.2 cm. I tried searching in the forum on how they got the difference of 14.2 cm but couldn't find it

However, using this case, average from withers to tip of the extended paw = 114.1 cm 
(Here, tiger no. 8 is included because only first measurement is required) 

And final average = 114.1 - 14.2 cm = 99.9 cm 

I wanted to know if this discussion has already taken place, that how they reached the difference of 14.2 cm. Also, I wanted to know if the correct method of measurement is from withers to paw pad or withers to wrist as mentioned in the various tables that posters have made. 


   
                                                  

The most accurate shoulder height measurements is from parallel to the top of the shoulder down to the heel pad in a straight line. There will definitely be a difference if you measure only to the wrist but how much of a difference I’m not sure of.

Yeah... in the paper it says that difference between tip of the paw and wrist is 21 cm
and according to the guys on Baidu, difference between tip of the paw and heel pad is 14.2 cm meaning that distance from wrist to heel pad is 6.8 cm
This should mean that in the tables for siberian tigers, 95 cm is less than the actual standing height

I think 2-3” seems fair if we include the heel pad.
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Hi! On the average adult males weigh about 230-240 kg and adult females 130-140kg. The largest tiger I have darted was about 285 kg. I don’t have the body measurements in my mind and we are currently under a lockdown due to Covid second wave. Can send you later. Regards

Edit - My question regarding average weight was particularly for tigers of Kanha (he has darted >10 tigers there), but I am not sure if the figure is for general bengal tiger population or just Kanha tigers
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(06-02-2021, 07:57 PM)Khan85 Wrote: Dr. Jhala

Hi! On the average adult males weigh about 230-240 kg and adult females 130-140kg. The largest tiger I have darted was about 285 kg. I don’t have the body measurements in my mind and we are currently under a lockdown due to Covid second wave. Can send you later. Regards

Edit - My question regarding average weight was particularly for tigers of Kanha (he has darted >10 tigers there), but I am not sure if the figure is for general bengal tiger population or just Kanha tigers

He told me the same thing once, not in this details tho.

He hasn't worked in Terai or NE India AFAIK. Anyways, great job! Like
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@Pckts Regarding your last post in the thread "Amur tigers" 

Imo, based off the measurements, Ramsay's tigers was even larger than Brander's tiger. Although measured over curves, he would have exceeded Brander's tiger in almost all departments except shoulder height (same for both, 109.22 cm)

A definite contender for one of the largest extant wild feline ever recorded!
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Recently a Kaziranga Tiger was found dead in the park under suspected and unknown circumstances.
If the cat was poached I surely hope that the murderer will get what he deserves
I wonder if they will ever weigh the tiger since It seems a big one and it would be the first Kaziranga tiger to ever be weighed

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(06-02-2021, 07:57 PM)Khan85 Wrote: Dr. Jhala

Hi! On the average adult males weigh about 230-240 kg and adult females 130-140kg. The largest tiger I have darted was about 285 kg. I don’t have the body measurements in my mind and we are currently under a lockdown due to Covid second wave. Can send you later. Regards

Edit - My question regarding average weight was particularly for tigers of Kanha (he has darted >10 tigers there), but I am not sure if the figure is for general bengal tiger population or just Kanha tigers

I tihink that include next tigers.
Konda and Banda have been captured and put on radio collar febury and october in 2007,their weights are both over 225kg,but we don't know their weights exactly because the scale up to 225kg.

The tiger kankatta who beat Munna weight only 197kg because bad physical condition.
Bheema was weght over 225kg in 2.5 years old.
And tiger patte wala has been put on a radio collar,and he killed by Munna in 2011,but we don't know his weight.
The tiger K1 has been put on a radio collar too,and he didn't separate with K2 when they are both subadult male in 2007(the left tiger was K1,the right tiger was K2).So K2 might weght by scientists when k1 put on radio,too.K2 beat K1 in 2008 and K1 killed by other adult tiger or death in poach .
I don't know the other male tigers have been put on collar,but Jhala's figures should content those male tigers.

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