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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers

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This tiger is not only on an empty stomach but also very lean. It is obviously in a very bad state. It is likely that it was squeezed by other male tigers and lost territory and food shortages led to an attack on humans. In addition, according to the previous Corbett tiger measurement video, I think modern Bengal tigers Your body size measurement may not be accurate

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(07-25-2021, 04:51 PM)Khan85 Wrote: Post #610 continued 

#2. Capture of T-01 aka Madhuka 

My work was made easier by the presence of Ranjit Sinha. He gave scientific permission without delay. In October 1989, Mel Sunquist arrived in town with his wife Fiona. Chinnappa was also with us when discussing the pros and cons of research. In Chitwan, Nepal. it was a follow up on his study of Radio Telemetry Research here  It was decided to do so. But the conditions here need to be analyzed in Nagarahole before they can really follow Nepal's model. There is no forest in the forests of Nepal. Still need to be carried out very carefully.  Forests are plentiful in Nagarahole. Thus, activities are being pursued by different techniques in different parts of the world to catch tigers: trap, snare, encircling and bait. Since there are plenty of wild animals in the cobra, the tiger cannot be attracted to a small thing. The start of the study was guided by expert experts such as Sunquist. Sunquist was with us when we captured the first three tigers. Thus our tiger-catching journey went smoothly.

As a daily routine, on the morning of January 7, 1990, we set out to find buffalo calves tied up in a variety of forests. On the way to the toll from Nagarahole, a calf was killed by a tiger. Immediately under the leadership of Chinnappan, the task of spreading the curtains of the garment was soon completed. I climb a tree in the direction of the tiger. Everything just happened as we counted. A huge tiger passed across the trail in front of me. The anesthetic potion I tossed using the dartgun was injected into its shoulder. The tiger looked back at the dart site. Then I saw another side of it. There was a large scar on the right shoulder. The tiger crossed the tree where I was standing, leaving the cloth curtains and leaving the tree behind. Chinnappa was also informed of the injury I had seen on the tiger.  When we looked at the tiger, we realized how serious the wound was. This tiger is a huge animal, weighing over 230 kilos. But it is already in its senescence. It is reasoned that its age is at least 12-13 years. The teeth were quite corrosive. One eye was blind.  Most recently, a fierce fight with another tiger gave a serious injury to its shoulder. 

   
(A huge gash on T-01's shoulder and corroded teeth and blind eye)


There were so many mites that it was sore. Now we have a dilemma. Does this tiger need a radio collar? The tiger was not even hospitalized. The central government has allowed us to safely leave the tiger with a radio collar. Once a tiger is caught, a veterinarian who is with us can do the preliminary treatment and leave the forest again. We did the same thing. The question of moral dualities does not arise in nature. Veterinarians used ointment and antibiotic powder to treat the tiger's wound. I was convinced that the tiger, with such severe injuries, could not live for many days. But it seemed that the radio collar could share last days of his life. As the tiger treads on the anesthesia, as mentioned earlier, Raju and the rest of the trail frighten away and weigh in on the tree. This is not the only scenario that shocked him, but gradually the traders said that the tiger was really aware. And when the tiger catches it, do not say his courage. The tiger treatment began to take place sooner than necessary. Joining us in our work, starting with tail dragonflies and eavesdropping on them, we waited there until the tiger was reinstated with a radio collar.

Upon leaving, we headed back to the camp. But it was sad that the first tiger could not live long enough for the radio collar. I followed the radio signals in the days following the tiger, T-01. We named 'Grumpy'. The tiger was running around, but its hunting skills were striking. Chinnappan had brought a buffalo to the jungle where he had died in a motor accident. The tiger was found eating the carcass. But without the power of hunting, this tired tiger could not live long without food. My intention was to record how the tiger maintains its base in old age, how it is used, and how it changes. Another point to note is that weak tigers lose their ability to hunt and rarely develop cannibalism. If 'Grumpy' is turned into a cannibal, he must be found. If so, we thought that his radio collar would provide excellent signals. The day after the radio collar was introduced to Madhuka, I wrote a letter to the chief wildlife guard, M. K. Appiah and explained the situation. In this letter, I made it clear that the tiger could live for another two months.

 On 27 March 1990, Mudhuka lay dead in a cord tree in Shantapur. He was finally free from starvation. 

    




There's also interesting info on collared leopards and apparently a male leopard of 70 kg. I'll post that in the relevant thread.

Good job, from the information you posted, we learned the details of the physical condition of the three male tigersTiger t01 was over 13 years old and was severely injured in the shoulder by other male tigers. He lost his sight in one eye and died two months after being caught and weighed. The other tiger is a sub-adult tiger under 3 years old. Taking into account the age of T01 and the extremely bad physical condition, as well as the young age of the other male tiger, their average weight is far not enough to represent the average weight of adult male tiger in South India。
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(07-26-2021, 09:46 PM)woshiniya Wrote: This tiger is not only on an empty stomach but also very lean. It is obviously in a very bad state. It is likely that it was squeezed by other male tigers and lost territory and food shortages led to an attack on humans. In addition, according to the previous Corbett tiger measurement video, I think modern Bengal tigers Your body size measurement may not be accurate

Hi!

In fact this tiger was healthy. Also i think the measurements are quite reliable maybe error of 1 inch. Probably straight line. From the other pictures its just a nothing special old male tiger. He isnt skinny but also not impressive at all. look at the other pic from the front.


The Tiger had low stress and nutrition was good. 
   
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(07-27-2021, 06:48 AM)GreatGorilla Wrote:
(07-26-2021, 09:46 PM)woshiniya Wrote: This tiger is not only on an empty stomach but also very lean. It is obviously in a very bad state. It is likely that it was squeezed by other male tigers and lost territory and food shortages led to an attack on humans. In addition, according to the previous Corbett tiger measurement video, I think modern Bengal tigers Your body size measurement may not be accurate

Hi!

In fact this tiger was healthy. Also i think the measurements are quite reliable maybe error of 1 inch. Probably straight line. From the other pictures its just a nothing special old male tiger. He isnt skinny but also not impressive at all. look at the other pic from the front.


The Tiger had low stress and nutrition was good. 

No,the picture of this tiger is very skinny,Health is a very broad concept. If a fifteen-year-old wagdoh is tested, he will be considered healthy, but his weight is definitely not as good as at his peak. The physical examination of this tiger showed dental caries, which may have caused difficulty in hunting and attacking humans, and the photo clearly shows a tiger who has been very thin.The reason why I doubt the accuracy of the measurement is that I have watched another Corbett tiger measurement video before. If you carefully observe the entire measurement process, you can feel how unreliable the body size measurement is. Therefore, any source from different contemporary teams and different regions I'm skeptical of all body measurements。
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(07-27-2021, 06:48 AM)GreatGorilla Wrote:
(07-26-2021, 09:46 PM)woshiniya Wrote: This tiger is not only on an empty stomach but also very lean. It is obviously in a very bad state. It is likely that it was squeezed by other male tigers and lost territory and food shortages led to an attack on humans. In addition, according to the previous Corbett tiger measurement video, I think modern Bengal tigers Your body size measurement may not be accurate

Hi!

In fact this tiger was healthy. Also i think the measurements are quite reliable maybe error of 1 inch. Probably straight line. From the other pictures its just a nothing special old male tiger. He isnt skinny but also not impressive at all. look at the other pic from the front.


The Tiger had low stress and nutrition was good. 
 
The content of this table is derived from the estimate before the capture, not the physical examination content after the capture. The weight of 200kg is an estimate, and the stress level is judged based on whether there are other tigers in the area.
The physical examination after the capture showed that the old tiger was in a bad condition.

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(07-27-2021, 05:16 PM)GreatGorilla Wrote:
(07-27-2021, 09:29 AM)woshiniya Wrote:
(07-27-2021, 06:48 AM)GreatGorilla Wrote:
(07-26-2021, 09:46 PM)woshiniya Wrote: This tiger is not only on an empty stomach but also very lean. It is obviously in a very bad state. It is likely that it was squeezed by other male tigers and lost territory and food shortages led to an attack on humans. In addition, according to the previous Corbett tiger measurement video, I think modern Bengal tigers Your body size measurement may not be accurate

Hi!

In fact this tiger was healthy. Also i think the measurements are quite reliable maybe error of 1 inch. Probably straight line. From the other pictures its just a nothing special old male tiger. He isnt skinny but also not impressive at all. look at the other pic from the front.


The Tiger had low stress and nutrition was good. 

No,the picture of this tiger is very skinny,Health is a very broad concept. If a fifteen-year-old wagdoh is tested, he will be considered healthy, but his weight is definitely not as good as at his peak. The physical examination of this tiger showed dental caries, which may have caused difficulty in hunting and attacking humans, and the photo clearly shows a tiger who has been very thin.The reason why I doubt the accuracy of the measurement is that I have watched another Corbett tiger measurement video before. If you carefully observe the entire measurement process, you can feel how unreliable the body size measurement is. Therefore, any source from different contemporary teams and different regions I'm skeptical of all body measurements。

Hi,

maybe you are just disappointed(Because corbett tigers said to be huge and i agree) but that weight is fair and the injury/condition isnt fatal. Look here at his body... that isnt skinny.


The condition wasnt top but not fatal.

Yes, I think Corbett tigers are larger than central Indian tigers, whether it is average weight or extreme weight, and I believe that Corbett has some small individual tigers, but these will not affect that my opinion in this tiger state.I only saw an aging tiger with lean muscles on the abdomen and waist from this picture, not the physical condition you said is normal, and the physical examination results are consistent with what I said. Pckts has already posted this that before.If you still stick to your point of view,I don’t plan to Persuade you, you keep your point of view and i keep mine.
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(07-27-2021, 05:16 PM)GreatGorilla Wrote:
(07-27-2021, 09:29 AM)woshiniya Wrote:
(07-27-2021, 06:48 AM)GreatGorilla Wrote:
(07-26-2021, 09:46 PM)woshiniya Wrote: This tiger is not only on an empty stomach but also very lean. It is obviously in a very bad state. It is likely that it was squeezed by other male tigers and lost territory and food shortages led to an attack on humans. In addition, according to the previous Corbett tiger measurement video, I think modern Bengal tigers Your body size measurement may not be accurate

Hi!

In fact this tiger was healthy. Also i think the measurements are quite reliable maybe error of 1 inch. Probably straight line. From the other pictures its just a nothing special old male tiger. He isnt skinny but also not impressive at all. look at the other pic from the front.


The Tiger had low stress and nutrition was good. 

No,the picture of this tiger is very skinny,Health is a very broad concept. If a fifteen-year-old wagdoh is tested, he will be considered healthy, but his weight is definitely not as good as at his peak. The physical examination of this tiger showed dental caries, which may have caused difficulty in hunting and attacking humans, and the photo clearly shows a tiger who has been very thin.The reason why I doubt the accuracy of the measurement is that I have watched another Corbett tiger measurement video before. If you carefully observe the entire measurement process, you can feel how unreliable the body size measurement is. Therefore, any source from different contemporary teams and different regions I'm skeptical of all body measurements。

Hi,

maybe you are just disappointed(Because corbett tigers said to be huge and i agree) but that weight is fair and the injury/condition isnt fatal. Look here at his body... that isnt skinny.


The condition wasnt top but not fatal.

He was 11 *an age where deterioration already begins* 
He became a man hunter due to numerous injuries that come with age and saw not fit to return to the wild.
Not that his measurements are anything special but he’s out of his prime.
Most likely he was a standard 200+kg male during his younger years.
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She was about 4 years old
"on 8 August 2017, the cannibal tigress of Brahmapuri, who was caught by the forest department and left in the bore tiger project, was in Kondhali forest park"
Original post and encounter posted by Brijesh Tiwari on FB

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I was able to contact a WII researcher, this is the information I received - 

Quote:Dear (my name)

Thank you for showing interest in my research. The weight of Bengal tigers varied from 200 - 280 kg (adult males, however, there are exceptions) & 110 - 180 kg (adult females in general). Ranthambore tigers were one of the largest amongst the tigers my PhD supervisor caught for collaring.

This gives a really good insight about tigers captured in India. 

Here's what I make of this - 

1. Researchers consider the normal range as 200 to 280 kg
2. Tigers below 200 kg and above 280 kg are considered exceptions
3. Tigers larger than 280 kg have been captured


Pls PM me if you wish to know who was the researcher...
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(08-27-2021, 01:57 PM)Khan85 Wrote: I was able to contact a WII researcher, this is the information I received - 

Quote:Dear (my name)

Thank you for showing interest in my research. The weight of Bengal tigers varied from 200 - 280 kg (adult males, however, there are exceptions) & 110 - 180 kg (adult females in general). Ranthambore tigers were one of the largest amongst the tigers my PhD supervisor caught for collaring.

This gives a really good insight about tigers captured in India. 

Here's what I make of this - 

1. Researchers consider the normal range as 200 to 280 kg
2. Tigers below 200 kg and above 280 kg are considered exceptions
3. Tigers larger than 280 kg have been captured


Pls PM me if you wish to know who was the researcher...

The supervisor was clearly Jhala.. Who was the one who mail you (tell in PM only)?
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(08-27-2021, 01:57 PM)Khan85 Wrote: I was able to contact a WII researcher, this is the information I received - 

Quote:Dear (my name)

Thank you for showing interest in my research. The weight of Bengal tigers varied from 200 - 280 kg (adult males, however, there are exceptions) & 110 - 180 kg (adult females in general). Ranthambore tigers were one of the largest amongst the tigers my PhD supervisor caught for collaring.

This gives a really good insight about tigers captured in India. 

Here's what I make of this - 

1. Researchers consider the normal range as 200 to 280 kg
2. Tigers below 200 kg and above 280 kg are considered exceptions
3. Tigers larger than 280 kg have been captured


Pls PM me if you wish to know who was the researcher...

Good job,I want to know too,by PM.
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(06-20-2021, 10:43 PM)Khan85 Wrote: 230-240 kg average really interests me, would be even better if there's a large sample with it
Is this sample available? Or not yet?
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(09-03-2021, 01:03 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote:
(06-20-2021, 10:43 PM)Khan85 Wrote: 230-240 kg average really interests me, would be even better if there's a large sample with it
Is this sample available? Or not yet?

Unfortunately, no. The researchers at WII seem to be quite busy. Can't mail them repeatedly either, or we'll lose all chances of getting the information. We can only hope they publish it in future.
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(08-27-2021, 01:57 PM)Khan85 Wrote: I was able to contact a WII researcher, this is the information I received - 

Quote:Dear (my name)

Thank you for showing interest in my research. The weight of Bengal tigers varied from 200 - 280 kg (adult males, however, there are exceptions) & 110 - 180 kg (adult females in general). Ranthambore tigers were one of the largest amongst the tigers my PhD supervisor caught for collaring.

This gives a really good insight about tigers captured in India. 

Here's what I make of this - 

1. Researchers consider the normal range as 200 to 280 kg
2. Tigers below 200 kg and above 280 kg are considered exceptions
3. Tigers larger than 280 kg have been captured


Pls PM me if you wish to know who was the researcher...
Some more info about this 280 kg bengal tiger. 
He was neither empty nor gorged when weighed. 

Also I was able to communicate with a researcher who had a sample of 8/9 wild amur tigers averaging 206 kg and the largest amur was larger than the largest previously recorded in zoological literature (212 kg).
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(11-16-2021, 02:04 AM)Khan85 Wrote:
(08-27-2021, 01:57 PM)Khan85 Wrote: I was able to contact a WII researcher, this is the information I received - 

Quote:Dear (my name)

Thank you for showing interest in my research. The weight of Bengal tigers varied from 200 - 280 kg (adult males, however, there are exceptions) & 110 - 180 kg (adult females in general). Ranthambore tigers were one of the largest amongst the tigers my PhD supervisor caught for collaring.

This gives a really good insight about tigers captured in India. 

Here's what I make of this - 

1. Researchers consider the normal range as 200 to 280 kg
2. Tigers below 200 kg and above 280 kg are considered exceptions
3. Tigers larger than 280 kg have been captured


Pls PM me if you wish to know who was the researcher...
Some more info about this 280 kg bengal tiger. 
He was neither empty nor gorged when weighed. 

Also I was able to communicate with a researcher who had a sample of 8/9 wild amur tigers averaging 206 kg and the largest amur was larger than the largest previously recorded in zoological literature (212 kg).

Is that a different tiger from the one mentioned in this old email?

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?pid=99474#pid99474
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