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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers

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The 5-year-old, 180kg male ‘nomad’ tiger from Maharashtra, which made headlines in 2018 for the longest dispersal in the quickest time in the country, will have to spend the rest of its life behind bars for 3 human kills. 
Officers say the tiger was given enough chances to survive in the wild but it kept straying into human habitation. The authorities declared it ‘dangerous’ to human life in compliance with 2019 NTCA guidelines and decided to keep it in an enclosure.

He had wandered 510km from Chandrapur in Maharashtra to Palaspani in MP’s Betul — killing 2 people on the way — in search of new territory between August and December 2018. It was captured by Satpura Tiger Reserve officials from near a fly-ash pond in Sarni area on December 10, 2018 after another human casualty. Then he was shifted to Kanha where it was kept in a semi-wild enclosure for around 45 days, in order to acclimatise it with natural prey. It was permanently shifted to Van Vihar in Bhopal on Saturday.


https://m.timesofindia.com/city/bhopal/r...239392.cms
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Weights of these specimens really tell you the average tiger weights of a tiger holding onto a territory in it’s landscape. Now, this 180 kilo tiger was clearly too small to establish a territory and protect it giving an indication as to the average weight of territory holding tigers to be above 200 kilos at the very least with some big males being considerably large.

The thing is, you see a few of the weights of the transient tigers who can’t establish their ranges and are found prowling the fringes of forests of Terai, and they are closer to 200 kilos, one even weighed 210 kilos from 2012. That kind of proves the average weight of males in Terai to be more than Central India (I mean we know that’s the case from pictures and weights as well) and more by some margin as well, maybe 20-25 kilos more on average with some absolutely exceptional specimens.

Similar to Central India, tigers from Western ghats who are prowling on the edges of the forest, lifting cattle and searching for territory from around Bandipur-Nagarhole also weigh around 170-190 kilos reflecting the average weight in those landscapes to be about 200 kilos.
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(06-07-2020, 03:33 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Weights of these specimens really tell you the average tiger weights of a tiger holding onto a territory in it’s landscape. Now, this 180 kilo tiger was clearly too small to establish a territory and protect it giving an indication as to the average weight of territory holding tigers to be above 200 kilos at the very least with some big males being considerably large.

The thing is, you see a few of the weights of the transient tigers who can’t establish their ranges and are found prowling the fringes of forests of Terai, and they are closer to 200 kilos, one even weighed 210 kilos from 2012. That kind of proves the average weight of males in Terai to be more than Central India (I mean we know that’s the case from pictures and weights as well) and more by some margin as well, maybe 20-25 kilos more on average with some absolutely exceptional specimens.

Similar to Central India, tigers from Western ghats who are prowling on the edges of the forest, lifting cattle and searching for territory from around Bandipur-Nagarhole also weigh around 170-190 kilos reflecting the average weight in those landscapes to be about 200 kilos.

Dude. I made a post exactly like this years ago!
Same thing occured to me after the 220kg transient showed up at West Bengal in 2018... that if he was ousted so bad that he just migrated away, it would mean 220kg is not enough for that whole metapopulation. In such way, weight of these captured & conflict tigers can be used to estimate the weight of a region's resident tigers that drove them out. 

This felt like read I was reading my own post.
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C. A. W. Guggisberg - Wild Cats of the World - 1975.

I litterally got this book for these pages and those in the chapter of the lion, jaguar and leopard. Good source of information, although some of them is now outdated.
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(05-06-2020, 09:38 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: 170 kilos male bengal tiger
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/karnataka/2019/oct/14/high-drama-operation-concludes-after-five-days-with-capture-of-tiger-in-karnatakas-bandipur-2047155.html



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''After a five-day-long search operation, Karnataka Forest Department officials finally darted and captured Bandipur’s elusive ‘killer’ tiger on Sunday afternoon.
The high-drama operation finally concluded with the semi-conscious animal being sent to Kooragahalli Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation Centre, located 15 km from Mysuru.''

''The animal is said to be a healthy male weighing around 170 kg (normal weight being 140 kg).''






110kg female from Buthan.

https://leythro-darlo.blogspot.com/2018/02/bhutan-radio-collars-her-first-wild.html


Bhutan Radio collars her First Wild Tiger.

''It was a pleasant surprise from a conservation hero and tiger biologist Dr. Tshering Tempa who is leading the tiger radio-collaring programme in Bhutan, when the news of the first tiger being collared made the headline in National Newspaper on the first day of the first months of Lunar Dog Year, Losar. A wonderful reason to celebrate the New Year and perhaps an "Auspicious Omen" for the future of tiger conservation in Bhutan.''


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 ''As per the new article, the tiger collared was a 3-year-old female, weighing 110 kgs and the team of foresters and Bhutanese biologists who made this major breakthrough in tiger conservation named her Tedndrel Zangmo, meaning "the auspicious omen".






2 females from Sundarbarns.

PAGE 17 and 18 of the link for more details. https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/25137191/sundarbans-tiger-project-activities-and-results-2005-2006-panthera

''2 Tigers were successfully captured and fitted with GPS-radio collars. The first tiger snared ( named Jamtola Rani of JR ) was a female, and captured at Jamtola area on the 22nd of April 2005. It was darted at 6:58pm with 600mg of Zoolatil. The tiger weighed approximately 75kg and measured 235 cm from nose to tail along the curves. Her age was estimated to be around 14 years or older.''


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''A second female tiger ( Chaprakhali Rani or CR  ) was captured on the night of the 2nd of March 2006. Judging by the teeth wear it was between 10-12 yeras old. She weighed an estimated 110-125 kg and measured 228 cm from nose to tail tip along the curves.''


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This table includes some tiger's subespecies.


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Siberian Tiger cubs captured near Aleksei-Nikolskoye turn out to be different genders.

credits: THE AMUR TIGER PROGRAM  http://programmes.putin.kremlin.ru/en/tiger/

http://programmes.putin.kremlin.ru/en/tiger/news/25823

Experts from the Centre for the Rehabilitation and Reintroduction of Tigers and Other Rare Animals in the Primorye Territory’s village of Alekseyevka have recently conducted a routine examination of the two tiger cubs removed from the wild in early 2018. That is when they learned that one of the cubs, both of which had been previously identified as females, was, in fact, a male.

“Indeed, it does happen, when the testes of wild cats, like domestic cats, fail to descend into the scrotum early on,” said Sergei Aramilev, director of the Amur Tiger Centre. “That is why this mistake was made during the initial short examination. It is good, however, that the truth came out just now, as this news will fundamentally change the choice of location for the animals’ release into the wild. All in all, the cubs are thriving; after a brief separation due to the examination, they were moved into spacious enclosures to further perfect their hunting skills.”




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The examination proved the animals to be perfectly healthy. Now the cubs are about 1-1.3 years old; the girl weighs about 80 kg, while the boy weighs about 90kg. The young predators hunt animals on their own, and properly react to humans by instantly taking cover and getting out of sight upon spotting or hearing people nearby.

The two cubs and their mother were captured near the village of Aleksei-Nikolskoye. In October 2018, experts decided to relocate the tigress from the rehabilitation centre to a zoo. If the rehabilitation process continues to go smoothly for the cubs, they will be released in the wild in spring 2019.






Two Adult Siberian Tigers Tagged in the Taiga Ussuri Nature Reserve.

credits: THE AMUR TIGER PROGRAM  http://programmes.putin.kremlin.ru/en/tiger/


204kg male Siberian Tiger named Professor and 150kg male Siberian tiger named Lyuk ( presumably Professor's son )

http://programmes.putin.kremlin.ru/en/tiger/news/11208


''The most recent phase of the comprehensive field research under the programme to study the Amur tiger in Russia's Far East (the Amur Tiger Programme) took place from April 23 until June 9, 2010. The research first began in 2008 on the territory of the Ussuri Nature Reserve and was managed by the Far Eastern Department at the Russian Academy of Sciences. ''

''This past spring, scientists with the Institute of Ecology and Evolution at the Russian Academy of Sciences set up two working groups: one to conduct research on the territory of the reserve and the other near the border with China. Due to harsh weather conditions (the snowy winter and the long cold spring), the researchers had less time to capture animals. Nevertheless, they managed to capture and tag two male tigers: one named Professor weighed 204 kilos and the other Lyuk, weighed 150 kilos. The researchers were really lucky to accomplish this because one of the smartest tigers avoided all the traps last year and so earned the name Professor. ''



204 kilos male Siberian Tiger Professor images.


In the spring of 2010, researchers managed to capture and tag the tiger Professor in the Ussuri taiga. The expedition members were really lucky to accomplish this because Professor, one of the smartest tigers, carefully avoided all traps last year and so earned his name.


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When the tiger Professor got trapped, the researchers took a shot at him with an air rifle loaded with a tranquilliser. However, the tranquilliser took time to take effect, and in the meantime the tiger tried to attack the researchers’ jeep.


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The naturalists had to light a flare to scare Professor away from the jeep. The tiger ran to the taiga where it was found fast asleep 30 minutes later.


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After the anaesthetic took effect, the researchers fastened a GPS-ARGOS collar around Professor’s neck, weighed the tiger and took blood, hair, feces and sperm samples for laboratory analysis.


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The results of the genetic studies showed that the tiger Professor was the mate of the tigress Serga and the father of three cubs born in 2008.


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150 kilos male Siberian Tiger Lyuk images.


In May 2010, researchers captured and tagged the tiger Lyuk in the Ussuri Nature Reserve.


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The tiger Lyuk is presumably a son of the tigress Serga and the tiger Professor.


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credits: THE AMUR TIGER PROGRAM  http://programmes.putin.kremlin.ru/en/tiger/

Siberian tiger Cub Pugmark.

http://programmes.putin.kremlin.ru/en/tiger/news/25965


“The monitoring group was very careful to not provoke the mother and to not pose a danger to the cubs. Experts did not visit the tigress’s ‘fresh’ clusters, but visited the four clusters that she went to a month ago. To our excitement, in one of the clusters there were paw prints of at least two tiger cubs. We believe the cubs are four months old. The paw prints vary in size, which could mean that one of them is a male and the other is a female, which is good news. The father is probably Boris the tiger, with whom the tigress met several times,” said Sergei Aramilev, general director of the Amur Tiger Centre.  ''



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Near 200kg male Siberian Tiger

https://russia.wcs.org/en-us/About-Us/News-Archive/ID/163/A-LONG-AWAITED-FORTUNE.aspx


''It turned out to be a large male, nearly 200 kilograms in weight, about 4 years old, in good physical condition, with perfect teeth. Our staff quickly took all the measurements, snapped a few pictures from both sides (so we could later compare this tiger to images from camera traps and determine whom we had caught), and most importantly, put a collar around his striped neck – a GPS collar, which would give us information on the tiger’s location every 1.5 hours. Trying to make as little noise as possible, they left the tiger to wake up on his own. ''


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200kg Thailand male.


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He was roaming around Thailand villages and after captured upon examination it was found that the Thailand tiger had a preexisting gunshot wound to the lower jaw which had subsequently become infected.

learn the full case on the link: https://aecnewstoday.com/2017/happy-endi...-villages/



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He is 1,2 meters tall, 160cm long and 200kg.


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A couple of days ago, a tiger coded MT3 died within the Mukundra Tiger Reserve. It had an enlarged heart and clots were found in it’s heart as well. This tiger was 4.5 years old.

During the postmortem, it was revealed there were lumps of fat within the blood in the heart. The lump was almost the size of a closed fist, may be weighing between 50 and 100 grams, and the lungs were oozing out fluid mixed with pus, the CCF said, adding there was also huge amounts of fat in layers, deposited in the body.”

This tiger had been treated in early March for maggots on his face as a wound had turned septic and his tongue couldn’t reach his facial injuries to heal himself (this is NTCA protocol). At the time of his treatment, he weighed in at 243 kilos.

Today, the results of his autopsy have been revealed and data from his radio-collar suggests that he lost 51 kilos in last 5 months!

Some wildlife enthusiasts say that better management could have saved it’s life. Personally, I think they are being harsh and not letting nature take it’s course. I am guessing this has more to do with Mukundra losing a tiger.

@Rishi.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/mt-3-had-lost-51kg-in-5-mths-turned-anaemic/articleshow/77158969.cms
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(07-25-2020, 03:20 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: A couple of days ago, a tiger coded MT3 died within the Mukundra Tiger Reserve. It had an enlarged heart and clots were found in it’s heart as well. This tiger was 4.5 years old.

During the postmortem, it was revealed there were lumps of fat within the blood in the heart. The lump was almost the size of a closed fist, may be weighing between 50 and 100 grams, and the lungs were oozing out fluid mixed with pus, the CCF said, adding there was also huge amounts of fat in layers, deposited in the body.”

This tiger had been treated in early March for maggots on his face as a wound had turned septic and his tongue couldn’t reach his facial injuries to heal himself (this is NTCA protocol). At the time of his treatment, he weighed in at 243 kilos.

Today, the results of his autopsy have been revealed and data from his radio-collar suggests that he lost 51 kilos in last 5 months!

Some wildlife enthusiasts say that better management could have saved it’s life. Personally, I think they are being harsh and not letting nature take it’s course. I am guessing this has more to do with Mukundra losing a tiger.

@Rishi.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/mt-3-had-lost-51kg-in-5-mths-turned-anaemic/articleshow/77158969.cms

He must of been completely full bellied because he didn't look near that size when he died. Even with his illness, his body wasn't completely emaciated. 190kg seems much more reasonable for him than 240kg if I being honest.
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No, @Pckts. When he died he weighed 192 kilos. And, there was barely any stomach content. The 243 kilos weight is from March when he was taken by the department to treat for maggots. They weighed him then, and put on a fresh collar. Since March, he had lost 51 kilos. Plus, no tiger has stomach contents of 50 kilos! That is a ridiculous amount of food.
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(07-25-2020, 03:38 PM)Pckts Wrote: He must of been completely full bellied because he didn't look near that size when he died. Even with his illness, his body wasn't completely emaciated. 190kg seems much more reasonable for him than 240kg if I being honest.

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Quite tall but doesn't seem a 500lb+ class indeed... But after that Lalgarh tiger turned out 220kg (looked 180kg max) I've given up making guesses. With wild tigers looks can be are wildly deceptive & you can confidently expect 80-90% of our weight estimates to be incorrect.

(07-25-2020, 03:20 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: This tiger had been treated in early March for maggots on his face as a wound had turned septic and his tongue couldn’t reach his facial injuries to heal himself (this is NTCA protocol). At the time of his treatment, he weighed in at 243 kilos.

Today, the results of his autopsy have been revealed and data from his radio-collar suggests that he lost 51 kilos in last 5 months!

Thanks, I tried to find for his weight, after seeing pictures of his body being weight but had no luck.

This maggot incident I posted about a earlier. Tigress MT-4 aka Lightening gave him some serious wounds that got infected... but this time it appears to be a very slow & painful death over weeks. Although I doubt the weight loss happened over 5 months but weeks. Cronic lung infection apparently, noone could tell from symptoms until it got into terminal stages.

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Tiger fights are indeed gruesome. RIP dear tiger.
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@Rishi, it goes the other way as well with wild tigers. Like, anyone who saw Jai would never have guessed his weight below 220 kilos. Everyone expected 250+ because he was very tall.
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t98 had on more bulk in the vid of him and alphonso t91
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I'm curious as to who weighed  him the first time with the alleged 243kg.
Because he was weighed now and was 192kg and looking at him there I really don't see how he can add another 51kg's to his body.
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@Pckts, Here is an article from early March about the surgery performed on him in the field itself. It was a 90 minute operation and they extricated more than a dozen maggots.

https://www.bhaskar.com/rajasthan/kota/news/tiger-mt-3-health-condition-latest-news-and-updates-on-kota-mukundra-hills-tiger-reserve-126955800.html

The article is in Hindi. But, they most certainly would have weighed him as there would be too much risk of administering continuous anaesthesia for a surgery without weighing him first. It would be too much of a risk. The article has a photo of the operation.

@Rage2277, very true. He outsized T91 by a decent margin in that video.
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