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Lions of Timbavati
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 (03-16-2025, 01:28 PM)sunless Wrote: so Mbirhi Pride starts with a 2 lioness from Skybed hence the name Mbirhi? and Nharhu start with 3 lioness from Birmingham hence the Nharhu? It is correct that Nharhu is assigned to lion groups of three, so I think you're right. (03-16-2025, 11:59 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: What about Skorro pride? They emerged around the same time in that area. Ngala Reserve first saw the Skorro pride in 2012 with the first piece mentioning them in February 2013, "The original Skorro Pride, 2 of these young males are challenging for a territory in the eastern part of Ngala, while the remaining 3 females when they are seen, also spend time around the east, with the addition of 3 cubs about 6-7 months old. Unmistakable because of the very pale female." "This pride is a bit of a mystery to Ngala as far as where they originally came from. They were affectionately named Skorro Pride, because the first time Ngala saw them they had been in a big fight and looked skinny and pretty beaten up, there was a young male with them too, he had a broken hip and leg, and his back was injured, he got nicknamed Skorro male and the name has stuck for the pride. The Skorro pride have taken up residence in the central and eastern part of Ngala, and a little into KNP." I don't know their origins, but a few contenders like Birmingham and Avoca pride breakaways spring to mind, both have leucism and traditionally called southern Timbavati home. The pale Skorro queen is orange eyed and reminds me a lot of the old Avoca matriarch below. "Old Avoca Lioness - Great mom and lone survivor from Giraffe break-aways in 2004 although not born yet at the time. She was first offspring from break-away lionesses and sole survivor of 9 cubs. Her mother had 4 cubs and she had 4 cubs and all grown up to become Avoca pride." Ziggi Hugo, 2016  (03-17-2025, 09:28 PM)BA0701 Wrote: BYM (Osindile) was seen a few times mock mating with members of his natal pride, but I do not know if either of the Ross Males witnessed it, I especially doubt that Tyson did. Then we had Sekekama killing his young son for simply going near his mother. As you mentioned, I think it just depends on the adult male involved, and his own experiences Theres a video out there, affiliated with Jonathon Scott, on YT, Blackie/Lipstick scolding one of their sons (Mandevu coalition) for trying to mate Topi pride lioness, probably Mom or Aunt. So yeah i guess it depends on the circumstances. 
4 Guernsey young males, 2nd generation of Hoedspruit/Kapama males offspring in that pride:
First generation was 2018 Guernsey partner of Avoca and his sisters who escaped Kapama in 2021 if i remember. Not sure how fence situation is atm, can these boys get out or no. Just like their fathers and older brother, these guys will be stunning specimens with very dark manes.
So who are these 3 guys now? (they come from Pompom pride northwest of Klaserie apperantly) and are new dominant males of RP Klaserie:
Any profile pictures of them? 
Prides and dominant Males of Timbavati (posted on march 3th)
Credits to Michelle Stemm  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Hi everyone, I have been working this past week on compiling three lists of lions within certain areas. The Timbavati; the Manyeleti; and Thornybush/Sandringham. The list for the Lions of Timbavati is complete, but as dynamics are ever-changing, this list though complete, is a work-in-progress (please see the list below). My list for the Manyeleti needs some work, however, I’m concentrating on the list for Thornybush/Sandringham right now. Compiling these lists is an enormous and exceptionally complex task. They have required the knowledge of several lion experts and guides. Bearing that in mind, please be patient with me while I continue working on the other two lists; these will likely take a week or two. Please note: at a later stage, I will include a “special feature” for want of a better term of each pride included with photos & a breakdown of history - don’t expect these anytime soon, but it is something I will endeavour to provide after the lists are complete. Anyway, here is the first list for the Timbavati. ? ***Lions of Timbavati *** With many thanks to: Ahmed Al Odaini, Aruna Pavithran, Reinon Macedo, Frankie Kenneth, Lynette Prent, Lucas Dantas & Burak Simsek for helping me. I’m very grateful for their guidance & sharing their expert knowledge. Prides of Timbavati: Western pride: 3 Females, 1 was sired by Skorro males (sister to eldest of young males) 2 young males, youngest sired by Nharhu male, Skorokoro; & oldest sired by Skorro males. Dominant males: Ncila males (Klasserie River Males) Sark breakaway pride: 4 adult lionesses 5 sub-adults sired by Vuyela males, born around December 2021 or January 2022 4 cubs sired by Vuyela males, born in May/June 2023 3 cubs sired by Vuyela males, born in March 2024 Dominant males: 5 Vuyela males River pride: 3 adult females 3 sub-adults sired by Vuyela males, born in June 2023 4 cubs sired by Vuyela males, born in mid 2024 Dominant males: 5 Vuyela males Myambula pride: 2 adult females, sired by Ximpoko and Mabande. 4 younger Females sired by Mbiri males, born January-April 2019 11 cubs sired by Skorro males born July-September 2022 (cubs from younger females) and January-February 2022 (cubs from older females) Dominant males: 5 Vuyela males Giraffe pride: 4 adult females, (2 eldest females sired by Mapoza males). 2 younger adult females sired by Black Dam male around early-mid 2018 16 cubs sired by Sumatra and Hercules, born in aproximately July-September 2022 2 cubs sired by Sumatra and Hercules, born in aproximately August 2023 Dominant males: Birmingham Breakaway males Birmingham breakaway pride: 9 adult females 1 subadult male 4 cubs sired by Ross males Dominant males: Lillydale male - Young Birmingham male (Nephew) Birmingham pride (Superpride seen on Ngala): 7 adult females 11 subadults sired by Mbiri males, born between December 2022 August 2023 6 cubs sired by Mbiri males - 17 cubs/subs in total Dominant males: 2 Mbiri males (Shaka & Zig Zag) Mabotlel Pride (2nd Birmingham breakaway Pride) 2 x Birmingham Females - 1 is sister of white lioness b. 2019 - 1 is half sister/cousin to female mentioned above, b. 2020 and sister to Lillydale male (daughter of collared Birmingham female). 1 cub sired by Mbiri males born in middle 2023 Dominant males: 2 Mbiri males (Shaka & Zig Zag) Jacaranda Pride (seen at Ntsiri) 5 Females: - 2 senior born 2010/11; - 1 born approx 2017 - 2 born roughly 2019 sired by old River pride males. Males: - 2 born roughly 2019 sired by old River pride males. 2 born 2022 sired by 2 Klaserie River pride males born 2015. - several new cubs Dominant males: 2 Klasserie River Pride males b. 2015 (sons of the Old River Pride). *Note: The two mothers of these two Klaserie River males born 2015 (originally 5 yms), are the females that became the Timbavati River pride. Possibly only one of these original females is still alive. Timbavati pride: (breakaway from the Jacaranda pride from approx 20 years ago)! 2 older lionesses. - 2 Tawny cubs; - 1 White cub (female) approx 3 months old Dominant males: Xakubasa b. 2018 (Ross male legacy) - Nsala Lodge in NE Ingwelala. Mawondane Pride: 1 Female 2 young males Male lions and coalitions of Timbavati: - Vuyela males, coalition of 5 males, originated from Sark Pride (previously known as Bateleur Pride) b. mid to late 2016. - Ross male, 1 male surviving, born in Ross pride in December 2010, sired by the old Ross males. - Mbiri males, coalition of 2 males, born in Mbiri pride in late 2013, sired by Matimba males. - Birmingham breakaway males, coalition of 5 males remaining, born in Birmingham breakaway pride in ? (somewhen in 2018 I think), sired by either Ross males or Avoca/Giraffe males (or by both in part). - Birmingham males, coalition of 2 males remaining, born in Birmingham pride in late 2018, sired by Ross males. - Makeppies male (previously Monwana/Giraffe male), sired by the Black Dam Male, the original solo Black Dam Male ( son of Bubezi). His brother is deceased. The 6 Black Dam Males we see today are his nephews, sons of his sisters. - Lone Avoca male, born in Avoca pride, sired by Mapoza male, born in early 2019. - 4 Ncila - Klasserie River males - Lillydale male (Nephew), b. 2020 & brother to younger Mabotlel female. - 2 Xakubasa (Birmingham Breakaway young males) - sired by Ross males 2018 as 1/3 males. One brother missing for over a year. (03-20-2025, 08:12 AM)Fenix123 Wrote: - Vuyela males, coalition of 5 males, originated from Sark Pride (previously known as Bateleur Pride) b. mid to late 2016. Origin of Vuyela males was unknown, is this some new info? (03-20-2025, 08:12 AM)Fenix123 Wrote: - Birmingham males, coalition of 2 males remaining, born in Birmingham pride in late 2018, sired by Ross males. (03-20-2025, 08:12 AM)Fenix123 Wrote: - 2 Xakubasa (Birmingham Breakaway young males) - sired by Ross males 2018 as 1/3 males. One brother missing for over a year. These are same. 
Apparently one other brother of the Ncila males joined them making them 5 in total.
Also about the Mawondane Pride, I'm starting to think they are keeping a low profile or have decided to leave Timbavati, since the last sighting of them that I am aware of was posted on December 16, 2024 (but it was taken a few weeks earlier)
(03-20-2025, 04:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(03-20-2025, 08:12 AM)Fenix123 Wrote: - Vuyela males, coalition of 5 males, originated from Sark Pride (previously known as Bateleur Pride) b. mid to late 2016. The first sighting of the Vuyela males by the lodges in eastern Klaserie (NThambo/Africa on Foot) was in July 2018. https://www.sundestinations.co.za/blog/skittish-lion-pride-feasts-on-giraffe-kill-in-the-klaserie/ Mauritz Senekal the senior guide on that first encounter referred to this pride as the Bateleur pride, because he'd seen them around Bateleurs Nest to the SW. In that sighting they were accompanied by an adult female, presumably the mother, or one of the mothers of the young males. This female matched up to one of the Sark pride females at a waterhole near Ximuwu Lodge in 2021. Photo credits: Ximuwu Lodge. Research credit: Ruiting Zhong. She was seen again by Ximuwu Lodge in late 2023. The Vuyela males were in fact documented by Bateleurs Nest as youngsters in 2017 and 2019. So while the Sark Breakaway pride has no connection to Sark pride, their long time partners the Vuyela males do.  (03-21-2025, 05:12 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(03-21-2025, 09:11 AM)Herekitty Wrote: So while the Sark Breakaway pride has no connection to Sark pride, their long time partners the Vuyela males do. The Sark Breakaway is not as the name implies a pride that broke away from the Sark Pride Core. The Sark Breakaway Pride name came from a fan/photographer that began using the name for the group of lions that is also referred to as the Vuyela Pride. I do not believe that there is a link that takes their origin back to the Sark Core other than their dominant males whom were born in it. (03-21-2025, 05:41 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The Sark Breakaway is not as the name implies a pride that broke away from the Sark Pride Core. Didnt know that. So who actually are those Sark Breakaways? Also, if we know origins of Vuyelas, dont we know who might sired them? (03-19-2025, 11:26 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: 4 Guernsey young males, 2nd generation of Hoedspruit/Kapama males offspring in that pride:They look like a force to be reckoned with in no time. At least there's four of them  (03-19-2025, 11:26 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: 4 Guernsey young males, 2nd generation of Hoedspruit/Kapama males offspring in that pride: If they stay in Kapama, they will mate with their relatives in the same reserve? Or they avoid endogamy in some way? (03-22-2025, 10:53 PM)FACR2212 Wrote: If they stay in Kapama, they will mate with their relatives in the same reserve? Or they avoid endogamy in some way? Not sure how they deal with prides there, but theres basically 1 male lineage there for a while. 3 (now 2) Hoedsprut males inherit their father, famous One Eyed Kapama male, around 2018. But 2 Hoespruits are getting old, so idk what will happen next. Maybe someone has better info how that reserve works, lions wise. |
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