Lions of Timbavati

[Tr1x24]

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

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[BigLion39]

(06-18-2021, 05:29 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(06-18-2021, 04:56 PM)lionuk Wrote: When the Avoca pride encroached deep into the Monwana pride's territory, a large female from the Avoca pride was isolated and brutally attacked by the four Monwana females.

Unfortunately, she didn't survive. 

Is she sister of Avoca males? Or even older, maybe mother?.

(08-14-2021, 03:38 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The bigger Mbiri male. A true beast of male lion. I haven't seen another lion with tufts on the elbows, except for the Matimba male Hairy Belly. What a gorgeous mane, It guess could be due high level of testosterone among other possibly theory.

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Yes I agree mt friend, he is one of the most impressive around! Great genes! Tinyo, a smaller lion, has impressive elbow tufts and his mane grows around and connects to the tufts! Thats always a dead ringer for me if I see a pic and I can't make out his face  I look for those tufts! Reply

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(08-14-2021, 02:17 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:

(06-18-2021, 05:29 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(06-18-2021, 04:56 PM)lionuk Wrote: When the Avoca pride encroached deep into the Monwana pride's territory, a large female from the Avoca pride was isolated and brutally attacked by the four Monwana females.

Unfortunately, she didn't survive. 

Is she sister of Avoca males? Or even older, maybe mother?.

(08-14-2021, 03:38 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The bigger Mbiri male. A true beast of male lion. I haven't seen another lion with tufts on the elbows, except for the Matimba male Hairy Belly. What a gorgeous mane, It guess could be due high level of testosterone among other possibly theory.

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Yes I agree mt friend, he is one of the most impressive around! Great genes! Tinyo, a smaller lion, has impressive elbow tufts and his mane grows around and connects to the tufts! Thats always a dead ringer for me if I see a pic and I can't make out his face  I look for those tufts!

Oh yes, forgot to mentioned Tinyo with his incredible mane with the magnificent tufts on the elbows. He definitely inherited the genes of old Skybed males and of his uncle, Hairy Belly Matimba. Would like see in a near future if the Ntsevu young males will inherited it as well. I'm quite disagree with Tinyo size, He isn't a small male. He is a big lion, perhaps, not the biggest  male around, but he is quite stocky Reply

[Mdz123]

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Clear size hierarchy here among the BBoys, credits to Scar's video

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Link to the video: https://youtu.be/di8AyIEHu4Q 0:37 Reply

[Tonpa]

Saw this posted by morganmulholland who is currently in Ngala, is it the shorter maned Mbiri male? Reply

[Tr1x24]

(08-15-2021, 09:42 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Saw this posted by morganmulholland who is currently in Ngala, is it the shorter maned Mbiri male?

Yes. Reply

[Mohawk]

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris? Reply

[Potato]

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(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution. Reply

[Potato]

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose. Reply

[sik94]

(08-16-2021, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose.

Nsemani/Mbiri looks like Whiteface or Shaka to me. Reply

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(08-16-2021, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose.

Yes, I know the Mbiri/Nsemani male was born in 2011. The Nsemani/Mbiri male in other pics resemblances to Ginger in his youth, for example, in a recent image posted by @Tonpa in the Manyeleti thread. The bigger Mbiri male resemblances a lot of Slitnose the Matimba male, We couldn't deny that. Of course paternity only can be confirmed via DNA test as Mohawk mentioned, But similiraties often could help. Reply

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(08-16-2021, 01:14 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(08-16-2021, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose.

Nsemani/Mbiri looks like Whiteface or Shaka to me.

Yeah, the Nsemani male resemblances to Shaka as well. The Skittish Skorro male resemblances most to Whiteface. He used to spend a lot of time with the Skorro pride in Ngala Reply

[Tonpa]

Guess the Ross Males chased the Mbiri boys out, one of them is now mating with a Mbiri girl 

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