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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (11-07-2023, 10:59 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-07-2023, 10:45 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Just like blondie he was fine then the nwaswitshaka males attacked him and that was his downfall True but I remember when he killed the cubs sired by the Birmingham males he was limping but he was fine full belly and all then he got attacked she he got bad very quick    (11-07-2023, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-07-2023, 10:36 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Now they are saying TB. the last sighting i can remember was about ten days ago when it was reported the entire TBs were reunited and he was present with them. I have a link somewhere i need to find for proper date....let me see if I find it. 
EP reported them all together and mobile on the 4th of November, and on the 5th we got the news he was in bad condition, not sure how he looked on the 4th.
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(11-08-2023, 12:30 AM)BA0701 Wrote:So many lions are plagued by TB and die an early death. Their bones and teeth are their life. S8 was everything a male lion could be and had cubs with incredibly beautiful eyes. He seems very unfamiliar with weakness in general and the extreme pain that accompanies this cruel disease. He wants to live, dragging himself down to the water, but felt no better for it or perhaps did not drink at all. Some are saying his symptoms are consistent with rabies.(11-07-2023, 10:59 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-07-2023, 10:45 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Just like blondie he was fine then the nwaswitshaka males attacked him and that was his downfall (11-08-2023, 01:52 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:(11-07-2023, 10:58 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-07-2023, 10:36 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Now they are saying TB. Here is the sighting I was speaking of  (11-08-2023, 02:05 AM)1ofCourage Wrote:(11-08-2023, 12:30 AM)BA0701 Wrote:So many lions are plagued by TB and die an early death. Their bones and teeth are their life. S8 was everything a male lion could be and had cubs with incredibly beautiful eyes. He seems very unfamiliar with weakness in general and the extreme pain that accompanies this cruel disease. He wants to live, dragging himself down to the water, but felt no better for it or perhaps did not drink at all. Some are saying his symptoms are consistent with rabies.(11-07-2023, 10:59 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-07-2023, 10:45 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Just like blondie he was fine then the nwaswitshaka males attacked him and that was his downfall You are so right, about so many things, in regards to the scourge that is TB, to S8, and what an incredible, and successful, male lion he is. I am not sure how anyone could possibly hold him in anything less the the highest regard and respect. The fact that he continues to fight, in the face of such pain, and feeling as sick as any creature can, is only further testament to this. I don't believe it is rabies, he appears to be drinking plenty of water. When rabid creatures even attempt to drink their body uncontrollably rejects it, often violently. He is not exhibiting this behavior, you can see that his tongue is making contact with the water, from the ripples, and his body is not convulsing as a result, he is not violently pulling away from the water, he continues to drink. I do not, personally, believe this is rabies. TB was also not my first assumption, or even my second, but I must trust the vets on the ground, not only do they know much more than I on the subject, they are also on the ground and witnessing what is going on first hand. If they say TB, then unless, or until, I hear different, that is what I must believe is going on. S8 has had that black spot on his front right shoulder for quite some time. I am not sure if the black spot disease is part of TB, or a separate disease altogether, but that spot showed up quite some months ago. 
Aquaphobia itself isnt a direct symptom of Rabies, but often develops as a result of the prolonged suffering due to the choking in foam. I dont think we are seeing enough of that yet to rule out Rabies on aquaphobia alone. Though if there is a real suspicion that rabies might be involved. I doubt they would leave him at a wateringhole like that.
Its nearly impossible to diagnose an animal from a distance like this. Though there are some good reasons to suspect TBC is involved, it could just as easily be something else or a combination of factors. Like sepsis or something. We need more information, and seeing this mystery illness has potentially already killed more lions in the region and may pose a risk to other animals, wild or lifestock. I think it maybe wise to intervene here and perform an autopsy just to rule things out. In any case. Regardless of how this ends for him. I hope he doesnt have to suffer long. Who would have known that nearly a year after DMs death, we would be in the same boat again.  (11-07-2023, 05:27 PM)KM600 Wrote:Gijima means running. Original Gijimas were skitting, not used to vehicles at first, hence the name. New Gijimas are just named the same - I would say it might be due outcome of their encounter with Ndzhengas, that ended with being chased, but I might be mistaken.(11-07-2023, 04:39 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:Always wondered what the origins were of the newer Gijima males, are they related to the older ones or is it an area they come from.(11-07-2023, 03:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(11-07-2023, 02:56 AM)Mapokser Wrote: I don't think he owned any piece of land in SS, he worked for Idube. 
I was hoping S8 was suffering from a temporary illness. It’s very unfortunate that it is not temporary and is indeed TB. I wonder if he recently got infected? Or has he been infected for a while but only now he’s beginning to exhibit symptoms.
This will be a tough loss for the remaining breakaway Talamatis as I believe there’s only one adult female left whose having her own issues and then there are cubs who are not yet ready to fend for themselves. Like someone mentioned up thread just last year we watched both Blondie and DM Avoca decline and pass due to illness or injury. Now the up until now very healthy S8 is suffering a similar fate. These lions lives really can change on a dime. 
That's not TB unless I see some verification, TB never just kills a well fed lion so suddenly. We didn't see a gradual decline like Blondie avoca or Lambille, S8 was completely healthy until a week ago. The drooling, him looking disoriented and unable to move much, that's not TB. Guides just love to say it's TB whenever lions have health issues, every sick lion isn't a case of TB.
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. What happened to him?? bitten by snake?? or TB??
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