There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
--- Peter Broekhuijsen ---

  • 8 Vote(s) - 4.5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Lions of Sabi Sands

Poland Potato Offline
Contributor
*****

Tsalala pride


*This image is copyright of its original author
6 users Like Potato's post
Reply

T I N O Offline
Moderator
*****
Moderators

One of the Nharu/Tumbela males
Image by: Roger Hlongwane

*This image is copyright of its original author
6 users Like T I N O's post
Reply

Gijima Offline
Regular Member
***

Deborah du Plessis
Nov 2020
Nkuhumas, Avocas & Cubs 


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author
9 users Like Gijima's post
Reply

T I N O Offline
Moderator
*****
Moderators

(11-05-2020, 11:34 PM)Gijima Wrote: Deborah du Plessis
Nov 2020
Nkuhumas, Avocas & Cubs 


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author

Great photos Gijima. Thanks for sharing!
2 users Like T I N O's post
Reply

T I N O Offline
Moderator
*****
Moderators

The Ottawa male standing proud, having grown in size and associated dominance, this male is now pushing his territory further and further into Londolozi.
Image by: Sean Zeederberg

*This image is copyright of its original author
7 users Like T I N O's post
Reply

Gijima Offline
Regular Member
***

The Tsalala Lioness: Still Alive and Well For Now


The Tsalala female and her daughter dodged a proverbial bullet a few days ago, walking within 100 metres of the full Nkuhuma Pride where they were lying above the Manyelethi Riverbed.

Had the two Tsalalas been spotted by the rival pride, things might not have ended well, as they would have been seriously outnumbered and the Nkuhuma females had their cubs to defend. As luck would have it, neither group realised the other was there and the Tsalala pair spent the day on the sands of the Manyelethi, sleeping peacefully only a few hundred metres from the danger of their rivals.


*This image is copyright of its original author


A journey of giraffes keeps careful watch on the approaching Tsalala lions.

As evening fell the Nkuhumas got moving, walking down into the Manyelethi upstream from the Tsalala female, who actually caught sight of them. Wisely the two Tsalala lions opted to simply lie low in the sand, and they weren’t spotted.

*This image is copyright of its original author


The Tsalala pride in the Manyelethi River. The Nkuhuma pride meanwhile were lying only 100m behind us and to the right.

The reality though is that we are seeing the Nkuhuma pride and the Avoca males (who were also close to the above incident) further and further south. The Nkuhuma pride would probably have been visible from the Londolozi camps as they set off into the dusk, and it seems like the clock must surely be ticking on the Tsalala lions’ time in the sun.

*This image is copyright of its original author


One can see from the head sizes alone that there is still a significant size difference between mother and daughter. The younger lion is still a long way from adult hood and therefore from adding any real value to hunting or defending territory.

The status quo may remain unchanged for a few months or even a year, but I simply can’t see this single lioness (I’m discounting the sub-adult as it won’t add any value in a territorial scrap) being able to withstand mounting pressure from 8 big females. Or is it 9? I can never remember.
Either way, I think the thing we have to accept is that prides’ tenures are always going to be finite.
The once-mighty Sparta pride is down to one solitary female, and she is no longer viewed on Londolozi. Prides come and go, and whilst there certainly is a chance of the Tsalala pride growing once more if the current sub-adult survives to start breeding herself, the one thing that is not on their side is time. We’re looking at another year before the younger lion adds any real value on a hunt, and at least another two years but probably more before she comes into oestrus for the first time.


*This image is copyright of its original author


The Tsalala lioness leads her daughter across the hill crests opposite the Londolozi camps.

Her mother may reproduce again, but with the current male dynamics poised to undergo a significant restructuring, it’ll likely be many months after that happens that the required amount of stability settles for any of the prides to successfully start reproducing again.
I’m not trying to be a nay sayer here, I’m simply stating fact, or at least fact in the way I see it. Which I guess is opinion.

There’s the result I want to see and there’s the result that is far more likely.
The likely one doesn’t favour the Tsalalas…

4 users Like Gijima's post
Reply

Gijima Offline
Regular Member
***

I think Londolozi is being super pessimistic... Tsalala female is the lone female I think has the highest chance of succeeding... but still interesting. She’s definitely feeling the pressure.
1 user Likes Gijima's post
Reply

Poland Potato Offline
Contributor
*****

(11-06-2020, 05:43 AM)Gijima Wrote: I think Londolozi is being super pessimistic... Tsalala female is the lone female I think has the highest chance of succeeding... but still interesting. She’s definitely feeling the pressure.

That is rather just sad reality. With way larger pride moving into Tsalala's territory there is always possibility that Tsalalas gonna get cought and atacked by females from those bigger prides.
1 user Likes Potato's post
Reply

Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
Top Contributor
******

(11-06-2020, 05:41 AM)Gijima Wrote: The Tsalala Lioness: Still Alive and Well For Now

Another Londolozi "bullshit" post.. Jesus..

The amount of miss information and false narratives in their posts is just sad to see at this point.. Its better to ignore it.. 

Tsalala young lioness is 1.5 yrs old and at that age lions already participate in hunts.. 

Also at that age she has way more chances to survive then before and encounters like this happens every week...

8,9 females in Nkuhuma pride? lol.. 

"Her mother may reproduce again, but with the current male dynamics poised to undergo a significant restructuring, it’ll likely be many months after that happens that the required amount of stability settles for any of the prides to successfully start reproducing again."

?? Male lion dynamics restructuring?? What??
1 user Likes Tr1x24's post
Reply

Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
Top Contributor
******

Tumbela male:

Photo Credit : rangerstu24


*This image is copyright of its original author
5 users Like Tr1x24's post
Reply

T I N O Offline
Moderator
*****
Moderators

(11-06-2020, 09:25 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(11-06-2020, 05:41 AM)Gijima Wrote: The Tsalala Lioness: Still Alive and Well For Now

Another Londolozi "bullshit" post.. Jesus..

The amount of miss information and false narratives in their posts is just sad to see at this point.. Its better to ignore it.. 

Tsalala young lioness is 1.5 yrs old and at that age lions already participate in hunts.. 

Also at that age she has way more chances to survive then before and encounters like this happens every week...

8,9 females in Nkuhuma pride? lol.. 

"Her mother may reproduce again, but with the current male dynamics poised to undergo a significant restructuring, it’ll likely be many months after that happens that the required amount of stability settles for any of the prides to successfully start reproducing again."

?? Male lion dynamics restructuring?? What??

I think rather than Londolozi should be from James Tyrrell. The whole Londolozi team not should not be involved in this when just one of their guys is doing those posts.
2 users Like T I N O's post
Reply

Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
Top Contributor
******

(11-06-2020, 09:54 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: I think rather than Londolozi should be from James Tyrrell. The whole Londolozi team not should not be involved in this when just one of their guys is doing those posts.

Well idk who is in charge there, but obiviously James Tyrrell is the leading ranger, i have nothing against him, actually i think he is quite a cool dude, but holy his "narrative" and "dramatic" posts about lions are too much for me and i dont pay that much attention to what they say..
1 user Likes Tr1x24's post
Reply

United States BA0701 Offline
Super Moderator
******
( This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 11:45 AM by BA0701 )

(11-06-2020, 05:41 AM)Gijima Wrote: The Tsalala Lioness: Still Alive and Well For Now


The Tsalala female and her daughter dodged a proverbial bullet a few days ago, walking within 100 metres of the full Nkuhuma Pride where they were lying above the Manyelethi Riverbed.

Had the two Tsalalas been spotted by the rival pride, things might not have ended well, as they would have been seriously outnumbered and the Nkuhuma females had their cubs to defend. As luck would have it, neither group realised the other was there and the Tsalala pair spent the day on the sands of the Manyelethi, sleeping peacefully only a few hundred metres from the danger of their rivals.


*This image is copyright of its original author


A journey of giraffes keeps careful watch on the approaching Tsalala lions.

As evening fell the Nkuhumas got moving, walking down into the Manyelethi upstream from the Tsalala female, who actually caught sight of them. Wisely the two Tsalala lions opted to simply lie low in the sand, and they weren’t spotted.

*This image is copyright of its original author


The Tsalala pride in the Manyelethi River. The Nkuhuma pride meanwhile were lying only 100m behind us and to the right.

The reality though is that we are seeing the Nkuhuma pride and the Avoca males (who were also close to the above incident) further and further south. The Nkuhuma pride would probably have been visible from the Londolozi camps as they set off into the dusk, and it seems like the clock must surely be ticking on the Tsalala lions’ time in the sun.

*This image is copyright of its original author


One can see from the head sizes alone that there is still a significant size difference between mother and daughter. The younger lion is still a long way from adult hood and therefore from adding any real value to hunting or defending territory.

The status quo may remain unchanged for a few months or even a year, but I simply can’t see this single lioness (I’m discounting the sub-adult as it won’t add any value in a territorial scrap) being able to withstand mounting pressure from 8 big females. Or is it 9? I can never remember.
Either way, I think the thing we have to accept is that prides’ tenures are always going to be finite.
The once-mighty Sparta pride is down to one solitary female, and she is no longer viewed on Londolozi. Prides come and go, and whilst there certainly is a chance of the Tsalala pride growing once more if the current sub-adult survives to start breeding herself, the one thing that is not on their side is time. We’re looking at another year before the younger lion adds any real value on a hunt, and at least another two years but probably more before she comes into oestrus for the first time.


*This image is copyright of its original author


The Tsalala lioness leads her daughter across the hill crests opposite the Londolozi camps.

Her mother may reproduce again, but with the current male dynamics poised to undergo a significant restructuring, it’ll likely be many months after that happens that the required amount of stability settles for any of the prides to successfully start reproducing again.
I’m not trying to be a nay sayer here, I’m simply stating fact, or at least fact in the way I see it. Which I guess is opinion.

There’s the result I want to see and there’s the result that is far more likely.
The likely one doesn’t favour the Tsalalas…


Regardless of the accuracy, or inaccuracy as it may be, of the text, out of all the current stories, happenings, and drama in the lion kingdom, the tale of the Tsalala lioness and her cub are one of my favorites to follow, along with the Ximhungwe lioness and her cub as well. As it stands they are both such feel good stories.
2 users Like BA0701's post
Reply

Poland Potato Offline
Contributor
*****

Tumbela males




4 users Like Potato's post
Reply

T I N O Offline
Moderator
*****
Moderators

Styx young male at Dudley in Sabi Sands
Image by: Röper Botes

*This image is copyright of its original author
9 users Like T I N O's post
Reply






Users browsing this thread:
75 Guest(s)

About Us
Go Social     Subscribe  

Welcome to WILDFACT forum, a website that focuses on sharing the joy that wildlife has on offer. We welcome all wildlife lovers to join us in sharing that joy. As a member you can share your research, knowledge and experience on animals with the community.
wildfact.com is intended to serve as an online resource for wildlife lovers of all skill levels from beginners to professionals and from all fields that belong to wildlife anyhow. Our focus area is wild animals from all over world. Content generated here will help showcase the work of wildlife experts and lovers to the world. We believe by the help of your informative article and content we will succeed to educate the world, how these beautiful animals are important to survival of all man kind.
Many thanks for visiting wildfact.com. We hope you will keep visiting wildfact regularly and will refer other members who have passion for wildlife.

Forum software by © MyBB