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Lions of Sabi Sands

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( This post was last modified: 11-08-2018, 11:42 PM by Tshokwane )

(11-08-2018, 06:09 AM)Pbonz Wrote: Who are the dominant males?

The old Avoca males, fathers of the 2 sets of young Avoca males, 2 on the south and 3 on the north.

Note post #706 of the Lions of Timbavati thread where Herekitty tagged you.
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(11-08-2018, 11:41 PM)Tshokwane Wrote:
(11-08-2018, 06:09 AM)Pbonz Wrote: Who are the dominant males?

The old Avoca males, fathers of the 2 sets of young Avoca males, 2 on the south and 3 on the north.

I just did some digging on the site, and it says the Ross males run the Birmingham pride?
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(11-07-2018, 01:01 PM)vinodkumarn Wrote: I dont know much about Talamati Pride

Brent Leo-Smith explains that the Talamatis broke away from the Nkuhumas in 2013. This lioness in the video is in fact one of those original breakaways. This relationship goes some way to explaining why the Nkuhumas have accepted the young Talamati males so easily. Video by Safari Live, edit by Theohikulkija, November 8, 2018



We can add the Sand River Pride to the list above, they inhabit the area around Kirkman's Kamp in the southern Sabi Sands and are dominated by the Mantimahle males.
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@Herekitty :

#1848: About the video , this lioness seems to be very pregnant and if I understood well, no longer to be young (10 years old) but she is in a very good condition. Impressive !
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andbeyondKirkmansKamp: here at Kirkman's Kamp bordering the Kruger National Park, we are very lucky that we see different and new animals on a regular basis.
The Fourways Pride - a Pride we rarely see - recently patrolled all the way to our shores of the Sand River.
Pictured is a fully grown male Lion, who has joined the Pride and is being seen regularly with them.

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They are going right into 2 Avoca boys teritory.
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( This post was last modified: 11-09-2018, 08:35 PM by Tshokwane )

Great video compilation put together by ignijaM in youtube.

A montage of the young Othawa male lion from when he was a little cub to the time he started his nomadic journey. All credits to the owners of photos/videos.


photo cred/video sources:
Alex Jordan, James Tyrrell - Londolozi Game Reserve
Joffers Photography, @riffmulder - Singita Sabi Sand
Kyle Jason Michel - Ulusaba
Anthony Goldman
Matt Brennan - Inyati Game Lodge
Hugo Breed Wildtography - Leopard Hills Private Game Reserve
Rob The Ranger Wildlife Videos - Idube Game Reserve
Michael Goldner 
Savanna Private Game Reserve
Vomba Safaris



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A very handsome male lion from the Othawa Pride at Singita Sabi Sand. Image by Singita, November 9, 2018

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Northern Avoca. Image by Sabeeha & Reyhana Moolla, november 9, 2018

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The othawa male, this is the Majingilane son? Because he’s quickly becoming my favourite Lion in sabi.
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Charleston males when they were in the Sabi Sands. Image by Nicky Klaasen, March 17, 2018.

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Talamati boy. This is the guy who was trying to mount Nkuhuma Amber Eyes the other day. He better watch out for the Avocas, because they won't hesitate to take him apart if they think he is a threat to one of the lionesses they have mated with. Image by Yvonne KB at Djuma, November 9, 2018

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(11-10-2018, 01:00 AM)Herekitty Wrote: Talamati boy. This is the guy who was trying to mount Nkuhuma Amber Eyes the other day. He better watch out for the Avocas, because they won't hesitate to take him apart if they think he is a threat to one of the lionesses they have mated with. Image by Yvonne KB at Djuma, November 9, 2018

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Have the Avocas gone into Nkhuma now? All those cubs Sad
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@Pbonz  the Avoca males have mated sporadically with the Nkuhumas for the past 3 months or so, without maintaining a continual presence. Individual Avocas have fed side by side with the Nkuhuma sub-adults along with the Manghenis and Talamati male. Perhaps the dynamic would be different if one or more of the Nkuhumas come into heat, but remain with the pride, because initially one or two of the Nkuhumas were mating with the Avocas (including Amber Eyes) well away from the rest of the pride to protect the sub-adults. Current footage from Djuma, credit to Safari Live, 9 November, 2018, edit by Theokulkija:




According to Elephant Plains' Ranger reports the young Talamati males were kicked out of their natal pride when the Avoca males starting making advances. Since then Talamati females have been mating regularly with the Avocas, which has taken pressure off both the Nkuhumas and Styx pride, booth of whom have sub-adults fathered by the BBoys that they want to protect.
https://www.elephantplains.co.za/big-5-blog/category/ranger-reports/
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Southern Avocas. K for kill or be killed; the first of two lions that we tracked. Overnight he and and his brother had killed a water buck, and he was busy feasting when we found him. Look at them belly — FULL. Images by flawfulwritings at Krikman's Kamp, November 8, 2018

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Wow. So the males will eat with other males without killing them or forcing them out sometimes? That’s good for the young sub adults. The other adults you mentioned are full males now? And still share. 
What happened to the really mangey looking lions.
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