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(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I was remembering when the two younger Kambula sisters born in a younger litter. They returned some time after with their mothers. I wanted to ask is the young Birmingham daughter with the Kambula male lions is her mom with the group of 5 lionesses or is she where there are 3 lionesses and 3 cubs? Or her mom has not been seen? I was thinking she is a bit older now. If the lionesses accept her then she might be able to come back to the pride? I was thinking maybe she could join and get accepted with the 3 lionesses and 3 cubs.
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I was remembering when the two younger Kambula sisters born in a younger litter. They returned some time after with their mothers. I wanted to ask is the young Birmingham daughter with the Kambula male lions is her mom with the group of 5 lionesses or is she where there are 3 lionesses and 3 cubs? Or her mom has not been seen? I was thinking she is a bit older now. If the lionesses accept her then she might be able to come back to the pride? I was thinking maybe she could join and get accepted with the 3 lionesses and 3 cubs.
Yup k12 the female who is with her brothers her mother is k5 who is with the 4 Birmingham kambulas in the core pride I believe k3,k4 and k5s mother died but I don’t think they’d let her join the big pride maybe the smaller pride but k6 is unpredictable well all 3 of the smaller pride females are extra aggressive and it’s been too long they probably don’t remember her but you never know
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(05-24-2024, 05:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:59 AM)KM600 Wrote:
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
The Kambula sister has already been in estrus? I have not heard that before, and, honest question, how would anyone know?
Only a prediction based on the different type of behaviour the males had towards her at some points, I believe there was one video she was lying down and one of the brothers came to check on her in a way most do before getting ready to mate. She just rolled onto her back denying his access. There were also reports of a guide saying she was beginning to receive ‘added interest’ from her brothers and hinted they may want to mate with her.
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(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
The Kambula sister has already been in estrus? I have not heard that before, and, honest question, how would anyone know?
I've definitely seen at least one video of one of them trying to mate with her, and her not having any of it. They wouldn't do that if she wasn't in eutrus.
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(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I have to disagree with Skorro Jr and Nkuhuma being better for the Othawas. The girls won't mate with their father, it's one of the built-in/innate preventers of inbreeding. And they are certainly more of a danger to the Nkuhuma breakaways. The NB girl won't work with the Othawas, because even if she joined them, they'll come into eustrus way sooner than she will, and she'll just get chased off again, or killed.
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I have to disagree with Skorro Jr and Nkuhuma being better for the Othawas. The girls won't mate with their father, it's one of the built-in/innate preventers of inbreeding. And they are certainly more of a danger to the Nkuhuma breakaways. The NB girl won't work with the Othawas, because even if she joined them, they'll come into eustrus way sooner than she will, and she'll just get chased off again, or killed.
The Othawa point was on about just their overall safety prolly being better off with the PCMs away, but like I said as they come into estrus it wouldn’t be ideal and they’d prolly venture out.
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2 new young male lions in the south, apperantly 2 s65 males, sired by Big Boy Charleston, those are last offspring of him, should be born in 2020, shortly before Big Boy dissapeared:
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
The Kambula sister has already been in estrus? I have not heard that before, and, honest question, how would anyone know?
Only a prediction based on the different type of behaviour the males had towards her at some points, I believe there was one video she was lying down and one of the brothers came to check on her in a way most do before getting ready to mate. She just rolled onto her back denying his access. There were also reports of a guide saying she was beginning to receive ‘added interest’ from her brothers and hinted they may want to mate with her.
Ah, ok, thanks, I was unaware of those interactions.
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(05-24-2024, 01:20 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:59 AM)KM600 Wrote:
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I have to disagree with Skorro Jr and Nkuhuma being better for the Othawas. The girls won't mate with their father, it's one of the built-in/innate preventers of inbreeding. And they are certainly more of a danger to the Nkuhuma breakaways. The NB girl won't work with the Othawas, because even if she joined them, they'll come into eustrus way sooner than she will, and she'll just get chased off again, or killed.
Loonkito was rumored to have bred with his granddaughters, who he himself had helped create. For sure it is known that he bred with his daughters, as when they became pregnant he had been the only male over the pride for quite an extended time.
Males have been observed, countless times, mock mounting other males, in what we're told is bonding or an attempt to secure dominance. Would they not do that to females as well?
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I was remembering when the two younger Kambula sisters born in a younger litter. They returned some time after with their mothers. I wanted to ask is the young Birmingham daughter with the Kambula male lions is her mom with the group of 5 lionesses or is she where there are 3 lionesses and 3 cubs? Or her mom has not been seen? I was thinking she is a bit older now. If the lionesses accept her then she might be able to come back to the pride? I was thinking maybe she could join and get accepted with the 3 lionesses and 3 cubs.
Yup k12 the female who is with her brothers her mother is k5 who is with the 4 Birmingham kambulas in the core pride I believe k3,k4 and k5s mother died but I don’t think they’d let her join the big pride maybe the smaller pride but k6 is unpredictable well all 3 of the smaller pride females are extra aggressive and it’s been too long they probably don’t remember her but you never know
Hi then it would make more sense if she tried to join the bigger pride where her mother is. Maybe if she sees the pride of 3 lionesses and 3 cubs maybe she could join if they are friendly, but nobody knows what will happens. I just think she would be more drawn to her mother and or her cousins in the pride.
(05-24-2024, 05:15 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: 2 new young male lions in the south, apperantly 2 s65 males, sired by Big Boy Charleston, those are last offspring of him, should be born in 2020, shortly before Big Boy dissapeared:
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I have to disagree with Skorro Jr and Nkuhuma being better for the Othawas. The girls won't mate with their father, it's one of the built-in/innate preventers of inbreeding. And they are certainly more of a danger to the Nkuhuma breakaways. The NB girl won't work with the Othawas, because even if she joined them, they'll come into eustrus way sooner than she will, and she'll just get chased off again, or killed.
Males have been observed, countless times, mock mounting other males, in what we're told is bonding or an attempt to secure dominance. Would they not do that to females as well?
I believe this may happen aswell but not 100% sure. When Nkuhuma boys were still occasionally chilling with the Nkuhuma Pride before the new year, one of the males was seen mounting one of his sisters on WildEarth. I’m not sure if it was just dominance or him actually mating with her, but I know Cedric himself was surprised with such events unfolding.
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Also worth noting, the lioness that has been mating with Khanya the last day or so has apparently been identified as one of Amber Eyes daughters (Avoca offspring).
(05-24-2024, 01:31 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: There simply has to be a showdown soon doesn't there? The Nkhuma's are the only mating eligible pride at the moment, and you have Skorro and NK messing around in the West, Khanya and the Kambula's messing around in the north (I am very curious still what happens when sister draws Estrus), and the PCM's trying to live in all the worlds. Sooner or later someone has to get caught right? The shame of it is, the Nkhuma's will catch the worst of this most likely.
I am also worried about what this means for the Othawa's and Ridge's subs.
Technically PCMs possibly abandoning part of the West is good for the Othawas as it’s likely Skorro and Nkuhuma could settle down - neither should be a threat to the lionesses if they pursue this current coalition. Obviously wouldn’t be ideal when they come into estrus and have a need to mate. As for Nkuhuma breakaways, they are in a very tough situation that I don’t think gets affected by any of the male lion dynamics in the area. Would love to see the female join the Othawas and the male go searching for his own partners too but as of right now them being alive and in good condition, especially given their age and their nomadic status, that’s enough.
The Kambula lioness has already been in estrus and it’s clear the males would willingly mate with her, she’s the one holding back. As for there being a showdown, I agree, someone coalition / male lion is gonna take a heavy beating at some point being in close proximity to so many others. I actually have a feeling BDMs might go back into Manyeleti as we on this topic.
I have to disagree with Skorro Jr and Nkuhuma being better for the Othawas. The girls won't mate with their father, it's one of the built-in/innate preventers of inbreeding. And they are certainly more of a danger to the Nkuhuma breakaways. The NB girl won't work with the Othawas, because even if she joined them, they'll come into eustrus way sooner than she will, and she'll just get chased off again, or killed.
Loonkito was rumored to have bred with his granddaughters, who he himself had helped create. For sure it is known that he bred with his daughters, as when they became pregnant he had been the only male over the pride for quite an extended time.
Males have been observed, countless times, mock mounting other males, in what we're told is bonding or an attempt to secure dominance. Would they not do that to females as well?
Talk about keeping it in the family. Jesus. So it can happen then.
Just searched for Loonkito, the Africa's oldest lion, who was speared to death by villagers in Kenya. What a sad end for a very old lion. Those villagers can go to hell.
