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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (03-06-2023, 12:51 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: Can't agree more here! We forget about this because we live a cush, easy life. It is very hhealthy to put down the technology, go for a walk in the forest, in nature (in wherever part of the world you are), and witness it in full effect. The new, civilized world will make you forget what life is truly about. Exactly, we "forget" what living in nature is, and become "soft" towards it. Lets go back lets say 15 k years ago, as hunter gatherers, humans lived purely in nature and wilderness. They needed to kill animals pretty much on daily basis to survive. Predators where their enemies, lions would hunt and kill you, your children etc., and you would do the same to lions if you have chance, you where direct competition, as is monkey and leopard now for example. Thats what pure nature is and looks like, we just "pulled" ourselves from it, we are now living in safety of our homes, with full fridge of food, watching animal channels, feeling depressed and sad when a lion kills baby buffalo. A bit of offtopic but yea. 
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 (03-06-2023, 01:56 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:(03-06-2023, 01:01 AM)veritas Wrote: Thank you for your friend's reply.Life is hard, and always has been. It's a shame, but this is the way of the wild far too often. It's sad, and we all tend to have our favorites that touch our hearts, but the only thing we can do is manage what we can manage. Get involved and donate to people you think can stop the pointless trophy hunting, or ruination of natural habitats. We humans can spread our morality that way. We can't change what is another species' way of life. Well said!! 
Ximhungwe lionesses, both are pregnant. Whom the father/fathers are is obviously unknown given that the PC males, Nkuhuma male, and Tumbela male have all been seen with them on numerous occasions.
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Marthla/Tslalala Lioness
(03-07-2023, 01:47 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Ximhungwe lionesses, both are pregnant. Whom the father/fathers are is obviously unknown given that the PC males, Nkuhuma male, and Tumbela male have all been seen with them on numerous occasions. Cubs might finally solve the problem or make it worse. I hope they introduce the cubs to PC males first, as if PC males find them and cubs in company of Tumbela or NK, they might kill the cubs and even females if they try to defend, if they conclude that cubs are not theirs, yet of that male. Introducing them first to PC males might also showcase Ximhungwes that best for the cubs is to be raised under territorial males, meaning that on next attempt ,they will chase away Tumbela and NK ,and not allow them near cubs. Eventually, with the cubs, Ximhungwes will need to make a choice, territorial life under PC males, or nomadic. As i dont think this can work with the cubs, that mothers and cubs can hang with 2, even 3 different males simultaniously, i cant remember any example of this happening. Quite strange situation tbf. As for who might be the fathers, we need to look who hanged with them around beginning of January. Before it was Birminghams and after Nhenha fight it was PC males. I cant remember that Tumbela hanged with them at that time, so he is prob not the father. I personally think it was Birmighams, as they hanged and mated with them up until "Nhenha fight", hard to imagen they didnt concieve then, yet with males who mated after Birminghams. So this cubs might be last Nhenha offspring, what irony would be if thats the case, and PC males accept the cubs, these cubs would see PC males as their fathers, while in fact they killed their real father. Thats a soap material right there. 
I do think Nhenha is the father. Maybe NK sired some cubs too, but it's very likely this was the coalition to have sired them. Tumbela was seen with them, I remember, a day or two after the BBoys-PCM fight, might have been with them a week before, can't recall now for sure but I think he was with them before being chased a last time by Bboys. He always sneaked in when Bboys were chased by PCM after all.
But we didn't see him mating recently. I know at least one PCM mated with Ximhungwe but I don't know if any mated with Gingerella. But yeah ideally they will introduce the cubs to the PCM first. Let's see how lucky and smart they are. Issue is that 2 females are not enough and if NK or Skorro Jr try to kill the cubs they'll probably be able to. Maybe the females should move deeper into the core of PCM territory in Singita because PCM can't properly patrol such a big territory and have not been able to get rid of NK and Tumbela, but there's risks in moving to Singita too since the Manghenis dominate there.
Will be interesting to see if the 5 Talamatis eventually push these two out once the 4 girls enter their oestrus cycles and lose their fear of all the males roaming in the west, North Singita seems to be more of a transient area for lions so I don't imagine they'll settle there. It would be terrible timing if this push comes right after the cubs are born.
 (03-07-2023, 04:17 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Marthla/Tslalala Lioness So happy to know that princess Tsalala got a meal!! 
Lions don't get sexual education, so they dont really connect childbirth with sex. Nor do they have a concept of time.
So whichever coalition that happens to be around to when the cubs are introduced isn't going to count back the months to see if they could be the father. Its more likely going to depend on whether or not they are willing or able to form an emotional connection with the cubs. She may luck out and every male ends up accepting the cubs. Though most likely the cubs end up having the scent of the male that they are first introduced to. Resulting in the other males rejecting them when they come around. I am not optimistic about their chances. (03-07-2023, 10:50 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Issue is that 2 females are not enough and if NK or Skorro Jr try to kill the cubs they'll probably be able to. If PC males first get introduced and accept the cubs, i dont think Tumbela and NK will go for Ximhungwes to kill those cubs, yet most likely will try only to hang with them, but Ximhungwes will chase them away. They still might see those cubs as theirs, but even if they dont see cubs as theirs, killing cubs of your enemies, in their territory , outnumbered, is pretty much direct challenge, which neither of them want. But yea, hard to predict what will happen.
I dont think there is that much strategy involved.
If they really were that scared or wise not to mess with the PCmales. They would have stopped messing with the Ximhungwes a long time ago. With the PCmales visiting only occasionally the chances are also low that the cubs will be introduced to them first anyway. There is also a chance that the cubs are abandoned after birth. Or that each lioness introduces the cubs to different males. The whole situation is pretty unknown territory really. Regardless of wheter the cubs survive or die. Atleast it may give us some insights on the matter.
@Tonpa I think northern Singita is where Othawas lived back in the day, they get their names from there, "Othawa property", so I think it's an area that a pride can live.
Originally Ximhungwes and Sand River Pride shared Western Sector while Othawas were more similar to how Manghenis are now.
Its Nkuhumas turn to hang with Ximhungwes:
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Wait, I'm a little confused right now.
BYM was a friend of Mhangeni bigboy? Is it Nkuhuma young male? Isn't BYM about five years old? |
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