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First thing I thought when I saw that resume of the prides and dynamics in Manyeleti ( very well done by the way ) is that the Skorro pride is listed as having 12 females.
That means that the daughters of the Mbiri males must have reunited with the pride which is amazing news. I always wondered where they went, no way so many young lions would have vanished together. What a legacy, 4 adult Mayambula daughters, probably 6+ adult Skorro daughters, the 5 dominant Mayambula and almost 20 subs and cubs with Birmingham females.
Now I hope to see their Skorro sons showing up again.
Anyway, interesting that the Mbiri pride went low-profile and is scattered after Mandevu's fight, it could be that he was indeed following the pride North, reason why he met Mbiri males, it could be that the Mbiri pride was present during the clash.
Crazy how things change so fast, one day Mandevu and Nzuri are chasing Red Road who ousted his son, the other day Mandevu is dead and Red Road is bonding with the son. Poor Mbiri pride.
At least Nzuri is still roaring, his younger brother likes to roar as well, if the cub is dead, it'd be good for them to leave the pride and go nomadic, some new blood must take over the pride and finally raise a new generation.
(03-17-2025, 10:16 PM)Mapokser Wrote: First thing I thought when I saw that resume of the prides and dynamics in Manyeleti ( very well done by the way ) is that the Skorro pride is listed as having 12 females.
That means that the daughters of the Mbiri males must have reunited with the pride which is amazing news. I always wondered where they went, no way so many young lions would have vanished together. What a legacy, 4 adult Mayambula daughters, probably 6+ adult Skorro daughters, the 5 dominant Mayambula and almost 20 subs and cubs with Birmingham females.
Now I hope to see their Skorro sons showing up again.
Anyway, interesting that the Mbiri pride went low-profile and is scattered after Mandevu's fight, it could be that he was indeed following the pride North, reason why he met Mbiri males, it could be that the Mbiri pride was present during the clash.
Crazy how things change so fast, one day Mandevu and Nzuri are chasing Red Road who ousted his son, the other day Mandevu is dead and Red Road is bonding with the son. Poor Mbiri pride.
At least Nzuri is still roaring, his younger brother likes to roar as well, if the cub is dead, it'd be good for them to leave the pride and go nomadic, some new blood must take over the pride and finally raise a new generation.
That’s really impressive. At what age did their reign start?
(03-17-2025, 10:16 PM)Mapokser Wrote: First thing I thought when I saw that resume of the prides and dynamics in Manyeleti ( very well done by the way ) is that the Skorro pride is listed as having 12 females.
That means that the daughters of the Mbiri males must have reunited with the pride which is amazing news. I always wondered where they went, no way so many young lions would have vanished together. What a legacy, 4 adult Mayambula daughters, probably 6+ adult Skorro daughters, the 5 dominant Mayambula and almost 20 subs and cubs with Birmingham females.
Now I hope to see their Skorro sons showing up again.
Anyway, interesting that the Mbiri pride went low-profile and is scattered after Mandevu's fight, it could be that he was indeed following the pride North, reason why he met Mbiri males, it could be that the Mbiri pride was present during the clash.
Crazy how things change so fast, one day Mandevu and Nzuri are chasing Red Road who ousted his son, the other day Mandevu is dead and Red Road is bonding with the son. Poor Mbiri pride.
At least Nzuri is still roaring, his younger brother likes to roar as well, if the cub is dead, it'd be good for them to leave the pride and go nomadic, some new blood must take over the pride and finally raise a new generation.
Have the Mbiris ever had a pride, or even territory, taken from them, or have they simply abandoned them all, choosing to move to greener pastures? For me, part of what makes their history most impressive, is the sheer number of prides with which they have had cubs, cubs that have reached adulthood. It is incredible to think about.
(Yesterday, 12:17 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Have the Mbiris ever had a pride, or even territory, taken from them, or have they simply abandoned them all, choosing to move to greener pastures?
Yes, Nharhus ousted them from part of their territory in Timbavati and River Pride in 2019, they had quite a few close calls vs them, Shaka mauled quite badly few times, Scar also with injuries.
(03-16-2025, 10:27 PM)MrLoesoe Wrote: Nharu pride, including cubs, Red Road male and his son.
I count 6 females (probably also one or more RR daughters), 5 cubs (progressing nicely!). Red Road and his son are chilling in the back.
If there are 6 lionesses (I counted the same) then at least two of them are RR's daughters, as there are only 4 lionesses that are not his offspring - 3 original and 1 Thanda Impi daughter.
Edit: Lol see the post above mine.
The old female with broken tail/silver eye (14-15 years old) is mother of 3 cubs, she is always with a middle aged female who has 2 cubs (by elimination, Tintswalo daughter, 8-9 years old). There is another young female with 1 cub (RRM daughter?) that has been seen with the other 2 mothers. The remaining females are usually with RRM son, but none of them seem to be old... So I strongly suspect that two of old females passed away...
If this is true (and it certainly looks like one of Red Road's daughters has had cubs, then either she and her sisters/cousins have been sneaking off for some fun with other males, or what I have been concerned about has started to happen - Red Road has sired cubs on one of his daughters.
I know everyone loves RR, as do I, but it's really time he was ousted from the Nharu pride. They've got 3 aging lionesses (maybe fewer), one Thanda Impi daughter and then RR's girls. If this pride is to have a future, and not an inbred one, then new males need to come in.
(03-16-2025, 10:27 PM)MrLoesoe Wrote: Nharu pride, including cubs, Red Road male and his son.
I count 6 females (probably also one or more RR daughters), 5 cubs (progressing nicely!). Red Road and his son are chilling in the back.
If there are 6 lionesses (I counted the same) then at least two of them are RR's daughters, as there are only 4 lionesses that are not his offspring - 3 original and 1 Thanda Impi daughter.
Edit: Lol see the post above mine.
The old female with broken tail/silver eye (14-15 years old) is mother of 3 cubs, she is always with a middle aged female who has 2 cubs (by elimination, Tintswalo daughter, 8-9 years old). There is another young female with 1 cub (RRM daughter?) that has been seen with the other 2 mothers. The remaining females are usually with RRM son, but none of them seem to be old... So I strongly suspect that two of old females passed away...
If this is true (and it certainly looks like one of Red Road's daughters has had cubs, then either she and her sisters/cousins have been sneaking off for some fun with other males, or what I have been concerned about has started to happen - Red Road has sired cubs on one of his daughters.
I know everyone loves RR, as do I, but it's really time he was ousted from the Nharu pride. They've got 3 aging lionesses (maybe fewer), one Thanda Impi daughter and then RR's girls. If this pride is to have a future, and not an inbred one, then new males need to come in.
Let us not forget Loonkito, who I read was reported to have fathered cubs with his own granddaughter. It certainly isn't optimal, or what we like to see, but it does happen, if the males are able to remain with the same pride for such an extended period. Tbf, we have to admire the males, especially the single males like RRM and Loonkito, who are able to maintain their dominance over a single pride for so long. When I first started following lions, I felt like the males should stay with the prides as long as possible, as I learned more, I came to understand that my thinking was entirely off the mark. For as long as the Ross Males ruled the Birmingham Pride, I don't recall reading that they ever bred with their daughters, so I suppose it is possible.
I posted the video, yesterday, post #3728 of this thread, that says it is one of the Nharu lionesses with a new baby cub. It appears the claim is correct, and as such that RRM is a new father, again, but I cannot say which lioness, if she is one of his daughters or not, that is in the video.
(Yesterday, 02:12 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: They've got 3 aging lionesses (maybe fewer), one Thanda Impi daughter and then RR's girls. If this pride is to have a future, and not an inbred one, then new males need to come in.
I dont think all 3 original lionesses are still alive, maybe 2, i only recognize silver eyed female.
(Yesterday, 02:12 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: They've got 3 aging lionesses (maybe fewer), one Thanda Impi daughter and then RR's girls. If this pride is to have a future, and not an inbred one, then new males need to come in.
I dont think all 3 original lionesses are still alive, maybe 2, i only recognize silver eyed female.
Wouldn't surprise me at all considering how old they are. That means that even more of the lionesses still in the pride are most likely RR's daughters.
