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Lion Predation
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 (02-26-2020, 09:49 PM)ragelion Wrote: So how do they knock over 2 ton young elephants No, Tigers are the same as lions in terms of strength. Why would one cat weighing 220kgs have better luck than another cat weighing 220kg? I'm not calling you a Fanboy btw, people have their preference but I just want you to be realistic about their capabilities. A little skepticism with certain accounts will help you discover true capabilities.  
Anyway what do you guys think about the accounts I posted before that post
(02-26-2020, 10:11 PM)ragelion Wrote: Anyway what do you guys think about the accounts I posted before that post I think you should look through this thread and go from there https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-can-a-lone-male-lion-have-a-successful-predation-on-a-adult-bull-buffalo?page=6 Keep in mind, a Bull Cape is a monster animal.  *This image is copyright of its original author
I´ll write a little bit more. What comes to strength, of course big animals, which @Pckts mentioned have strength to tip cars, it´s totally another thing if they do it, because they usually don´t know how it would be done. Elephants naturally can do such things even by accident, they are after all... elephants.
What comes to big cats, lions and yes, of course tigers too for sure, imo, have more than enough strength to tip some car, at least cars around 700-1000 kg, like we see strongmen to do in competitions sometimes. But.. again, who would teach them how to use their potential, they don´t have our hands and intelligence. So no, we´ll never see such thing to happen, even though these animals are extremely strong. And then as I said, tackling a bigger animal is another thing. If a 2500 kg elephant sees a lion coming and jumping and decides that ok, I push back a bit, that elephant won´t even flinch when lion bounces back. But if/when that elephant gets scared it can be caught off balance. When discussing about these things, it´s good to separate certain things from each others and keep things realistic. (02-26-2020, 10:28 PM)Shadow Wrote: I´ll write a little bit more. What comes to strength, of course big animals, which @Pckts mentioned have strength to tip cars, it´s totally another thing if they do it, because they usually don´t know how it would be done. Elephants naturally can do such things even by accident, they are after all... elephants. Big Cats don't have the morphology to tip cars, a Human can deadlift since it's bipedal while a big cat isn't meant to lift in that way, they're meant for dragging and pulling. But of course a big cat is stronger than the strongest man, although I'd love to see Thor Bjornsson put on a harness and have a tug of war with a Lion or Tiger. (02-26-2020, 10:39 PM)Pckts Wrote:(02-26-2020, 10:28 PM)Shadow Wrote: I´ll write a little bit more. What comes to strength, of course big animals, which @Pckts mentioned have strength to tip cars, it´s totally another thing if they do it, because they usually don´t know how it would be done. Elephants naturally can do such things even by accident, they are after all... elephants. That is what I meant overall, they are strong enough, but they don´t know how to use it to do such things. Even with that morphology I think, that they could do it, if they just could get a grip from car with front paws :) But since this is so hypothetical I don´t have so much interest towards it. I´ll post here next time, when I see some impressive hunting case :)
Anyway It can still knock a bull buffalo and a 2 ton young elephant
I found this A charging lion can topple over the biggest giraffe. A group of lions can bring down a full-grown hippopotamus. https://www.google.com/search?q=charging+lion+topple+giraffe&sxsrf=ALeKk01p3RhuN6dpTMy9dVnGu57PL2NP9g:1582739939120&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj05t7e5e_nAhWn34UKHQugBHYQ_AUoAXoECAgQCQ&biw=1920&bih=973 (02-26-2020, 11:00 PM)ragelion Wrote: Anyway It can still knock a bull buffalo and a 2 ton young elephantAgain, let's be realistic. What do you mean "Knock" A Lion is not coming close to Knocking over a 2 Ton Elephant or Bull Cape that weighs less than a Ton. If 3 male lions still get overpowered, what chance does one male Lion have in overpowering an alpha Cape Bull? Hamstringing is a different story. Maybe if a Lion gets a full head of steam and blindsides a Bull it may have a chance of knocking it off balance but that's a stretch imo. here is the thread again for you to view and see what Big Cape Bulls are actually capable of. https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-can-a-lone-male-lion-have-a-successful-predation-on-a-adult-bull-buffalo?page=6
Then why does this exist
Even a single male can overpower a young elephant. Between 1994 and 1997, Dereck Joubert found that the lions of Botswana’s Chobe National Park were getting better and better at hunting elephants. He wrote: “In one notable case, a single male lion ran at nearly full speed into the side of a 6-year-old male calf with sufficient force to collapse the elephant on its side.” https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/older-elephants-know-the-best-anti-lion-moves
A six year old male African elephant is a big animal
Bigger than black rhino bulls  *This image is copyright of its original author
(02-26-2020, 11:16 PM)ragelion Wrote: Then why does this exist I respect Dereck and Beverly immensely but they would not know exactly how old the elephant was, nor would they know how much it weighs.
By knock I mean EXACTLY THIS
Before I post I found this video of a lion pride killing a buffalo in water https://youtu.be/V8C9LlhvK9o He said 6 year old so it confirmed By knock I mean this  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author See how he made that 4 year old elephant go down I mean EXACTLY that when i say knock Ok btw that lion in the Dereck account said he charged with force to MAKE IT COLLAPSE STILL IT IS IMPRESSIVE (02-26-2020, 11:35 PM)ragelion Wrote: By knock I mean EXACTLY THISSo you didn't watch the video I posted? He dragged that elephant down, he didn't blindside it and knock it over. He rode it's back until the Elephant was exhausted and in pain and finally was able to drag it down. And again, you have no idea how much that Elephant weighs, correct? And no, because he says 6 years old, it isn't confirmed. Unless he knows this animal since birth which I can almost guarantee he doesn't, he would simply be estimating it. And since neither have any experience with weighing Elephants to my knowledge, he wouldn't know what they would weigh either. Estimated weight Growth in elephants by age in South Africa The following table indicated suggested growth for free-living elephants in South Africa: (D301.App10.w1 Age (years) Weight (KG) 0 120 1 300 3 400 6 600 10 1200 15 1600 40 2400 http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/0MProboscidae/Elephantidae/Loxodonta/Loxodonta_africana/01LoxAfrAMWtHt.htm |
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