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Lion Predation
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@TigerJaguar We can have here disagreements, but don´t cross certain lines though. You know what I mean even though I deleted two posts.
An incredibly interesting study is touched upon in the beginning of this. It compares lion vs lioness hunting strategies, with a visual representation of what each sees when on a hunt.
For me male lions are easily better at hunting than any big cat JUST MY OPINION
Young male lions kill bull buffalo
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(02-13-2020, 09:30 PM)TigerJaguar Wrote: An old eye witness account of a lion which fought and killed a rhino even though he died first the rhino succumbed to the injuries This story is really something. A good example why I don´t take seriously most of these "eye witness accounts" from past, especially when about 100 years old or older. In those times most people saw for instance rhinos and lions in some drawings maybe... and obviously some people took advantage of it while writing amazing stories. This is again typical. Two animals fighting and... surprise surprise, both die in the end, what a dramatic story. There is same kind of nonsense story about lion and gorilla fighting, like they would be some gladiators on arena, and in the end both "warriors" die.... This story, lion attacking a rhino, jumping on it and holding grip with one paw while beating with another like some mma fighter. And we have seen this in reality, in countless video clips how many times? Yeah, never, 0 times and never will. Just like that gorilla story, gorilla calling a lion to fight without no reason whatsoever, something what we would see in reality, even if they would live in same areas, which they don´t... never. These old stories give often a good laugh, but if some young people read these stories my advice is: Don´t believe everything you read. There is at least one as imaginary story of a lion and a tiger fighting, one reporter wrote it and 4-6 old newspapers published it, but same story in in all of these newspapers copied from original or maybe that reporter sent it to several newspapers or something like that. So someone could say, multiple sources confirms. My opinion is, same shit in different packages  When reading these stories, people should always think a moment if they have seen anything even remotely similar in reality. Nowadays luckily we have many clips to compare.
Some Amazing predation information
The largest prey were constituted by adult male giraffe, weighing around 1200 kg, approximately 10 times the mass of the predator. Species under 20 kg in mass, i.e. 15% of predator body mass, contributed little to the prey base for lions, due probably to their agility. Studies elsewhere show buffalo to be numerically the predominant prey of lion in Chobe National Park in Botswana (Viljoen 1993), Kafue National Park in Zambia (Mitchell et al. 1965) and Lake Manyara National Park in Tanzania (Schaller 1972). Hayward & Kerley (2005) found that lion selected prey species preferentially within a mass range of 190–550 kg, but made no adjustment for the under‐recording of smaller prey species. Over half of the giraffe and two‐thirds of the buffalo killed by lion were adult animals in the Mala Mala Reserve adjoining Kruger (Radloff & du Toit 2004). A substantial fraction of the adult buffalo falling prey to lions are killed by male lions hunting independently of female prides (Funston et al. 1998, 2001; Radloff & du Toit 2004). In northern Botswana, lions hunting in groups of around 10 killed young elephants weighing up to 2500 kg in body mass, more than 10 times the mass of a male lion (Joubert 2006). https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2656.2007.01314.x Also guys read these studies Large predators and their prey in a southern African savanna: a predator's size determines its prey size range Hunting by male lions: ecological influences and socioecological implications
Just so you know how powerful a male lion
It can knock down a buffalo bull or young elephant  *This image is copyright of its original author https://books.google.fr/books?id=vX1KDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT202&dq=male+lion+pulls+down+buffalo+bull&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGjP6xpObnAhVM4eAKHcO3BtkQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=male%20lion%20pulls%20down%20buffalo%20bull&f=false Even a single male can overpower a young elephant. Between 1994 and 1997, Dereck Joubert found that the lions of Botswana’s Chobe National Park were getting better and better at hunting elephants. He wrote: “In one notable case, a single male lion ran at nearly full speed into the side of a 6-year-old male calf with sufficient force to collapse the elephant on its side.” https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/older-elephants-know-the-best-anti-lion-moves A 6 year old African male elephant is over 2 tons  *This image is copyright of its original author Last but not least A single lion nearly knocked a truck  *This image is copyright of its original author https://books.google.fr/books?id=4FUEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA93&dq=a+charging+lion+can+knock&hl=it&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwip942L0u_nAhWGzoUKHSgnDj0Q6AEIRjAD#v=onepage&q=a%20charging%20lion%20can%20knock&f=false 
Nearly or not, there is no chance a lion can knock a truck over, tip one or anything in between.
If Elephants, Rhinos, Hippos and Cape Bulls all have trouble tipping them, a Lion which isn't in the same realm of strength as the aforementioned is going to have no hope.
So how do they knock over 2 ton young elephants
So do you think tigers can tip a truck
You mean drag down or hamstring?
Go to the Lions taking on cape bull thread, Bulls can overpower 3 Lions at once, do you really think you can compare a lone lion to a cape bull in strength? A young elephant is a different story, it'll depend on the age.
I think, that time to stop this before going over the top and childish. @ragelion we all know, that lions are strong, but being able to tackle a bigger animal is one thing, they can loose balance when caught with surprise or while running in full speed. It´s not about overpowering, but using speed, strength and body mass in certain way.
You like lions and yes, lions are doing many times remarkable things, but your postings now are a bit like "fanboy postings". And when you have a small debate with @Pckts about this, there is no reason whatsoever to mention tigers in this. |
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