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Lion Predation
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Now on Instagram... For the pleasure to see again this amazing feat:
" Power Trip. Large male lion shows lioness how to hunt a buffalo. Keep in mind the lion is likely 400 to 500lbs while the buffalo is around 1,800 to 2000lbs. "  (04-27-2020, 12:20 AM)Spalea Wrote: Now on Instagram... For the pleasure to see again this amazing feat: Nice but thats not really a feat. The buffalo in that is a young bull. He does the have the "Boss" at the horns like older bulls. The feats are a lot more impressive.  (04-25-2020, 02:56 PM)TigrisLeo504 Wrote: Anyway here is a very impressive lion predation account If the estimation of Mr Ross is correct, and that elephant weighed about 2 tons, this is the heaviest prey hunted by a wild cat on record that we actually have a first hand report and a picture! We have records of rhinos hunted by tigers, but as far I know, none of them weighed 2 tons (the weight of an adult) or hunted in "single combat". I will like to see the opinion of other posters about this event.  (04-27-2020, 01:32 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(04-25-2020, 02:56 PM)TigrisLeo504 Wrote: Anyway here is a very impressive lion predation account I'm not sure how much these juvenile elephants weighted, but clearly over a ton, and the single lions were able to bring them down by themselves on each video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlrPeRGA_-Y&t=5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp9EC4tS-Q0 We also know that they hunt bull giraffe, buffalo and eland by themselves so lions are definitely capable of bringing down large game over a ton. (04-27-2020, 01:43 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: We also know that they hunt bull giraffe, buffalo and eland by themselves so lions are definitely capable of bringing down large game over a ton. That is correct, but there is at least one poster here that do not. In the case of Eland and Buffalo, they do not surpass the ton in weight, but they are clearly large beasts of 900 kg or more in the case of the eland. About the giraffes, it seems that is easier to the lions to hunt them, although most of the kills that I had saw are from entire prides attacking the bulls. From my point of view, it is harder to kill a big buffalo or eland than kill a giraffe, all of them of 900 kg, for example. (04-27-2020, 01:50 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(04-27-2020, 01:43 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: We also know that they hunt bull giraffe, buffalo and eland by themselves so lions are definitely capable of bringing down large game over a ton. In my opinion it depends, for a lion to take down a bull giraffe they have two options: either an ambush while the giraffe is at a low position such as drinking water or laying down, or by attacking the soft areas of the giraffe around their belly and between the legs to cause deep wounds (this is how a lioness was able to bring down an adult giraffe by herself), but even then a giraffe is a deadly adversary, while they lack the horns of the buffalo their kicks are lethal and have enough strength to crush the skull of a lion if it can hit at the right angle. (04-27-2020, 01:43 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: I'm not sure how much these juvenile elephants weighted, but clearly over a ton, and the single lions were able to bring them down by themselves on each video: Watching the videos I see that those juveniles do not seems to weight over 1000 kg, they definitelly weigh less, between 800 - 900 kg at the most. Also, it will be interesting to see if the elephants will be actually killed by the male lions without the presence of the other pride member, expecially in the second video. I know that the calfs were bring down in both cases, but it is not quite sure if they could kill it, again the second video created me the dobth. In the second video there is a comment: "Hi Cynthia, thanks for sharing your experience. We spoke to Calvet and the actual kill only took a bit longer than the length of the video. He also said this time of the year it is also the time when the genetically weak and the sick are eliminated from the herd. In Hwange even elephants go through a natural culling process from lions, shortage of food, hyenas and disease." Interesting events, thank you for sharing them. (04-27-2020, 01:54 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: In my opinion it depends, for a lion to take down a bull giraffe they have two options: either an ambush while the giraffe is at a low position such as drinking water or laying down, or by attacking the soft areas of the giraffe around their belly and between the legs to cause deep wounds (this is how a lioness was able to bring down an adult giraffe by herself), but even then a giraffe is a deadly adversary, while they lack the horns of the buffalo their kicks are lethal and have enough strength to crush the skull of a lion if it can hit at the right angle. Good point of view. However, I have saw that in most of the videos the giraffe firs choice is to run, while in the case of buffalo they do tried to attack. I don't know, maybe is just to view of the slender giraffe and the robust buffalo that may confuse the viewer, but this is what I have saw. About the eland I can't say anything, becaue I had not saw a hunt of lions over that animal. Maybe there are youtube videos of that. (04-27-2020, 02:04 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(04-27-2020, 01:54 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: In my opinion it depends, for a lion to take down a bull giraffe they have two options: either an ambush while the giraffe is at a low position such as drinking water or laying down, or by attacking the soft areas of the giraffe around their belly and between the legs to cause deep wounds (this is how a lioness was able to bring down an adult giraffe by herself), but even then a giraffe is a deadly adversary, while they lack the horns of the buffalo their kicks are lethal and have enough strength to crush the skull of a lion if it can hit at the right angle. Yes, once the giraffe decides to face off the lion it becomes extremely difficult and highly risky for the lion to inflict a kill because it has to avoid the lethal kicks from the giraffe. When the giraffes run they expose their hindquarters which allows the lions to jump on the to destabilize them or attack their groin. *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
(04-27-2020, 02:11 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:(04-27-2020, 02:04 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(04-27-2020, 01:54 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: In my opinion it depends, for a lion to take down a bull giraffe they have two options: either an ambush while the giraffe is at a low position such as drinking water or laying down, or by attacking the soft areas of the giraffe around their belly and between the legs to cause deep wounds (this is how a lioness was able to bring down an adult giraffe by herself), but even then a giraffe is a deadly adversary, while they lack the horns of the buffalo their kicks are lethal and have enough strength to crush the skull of a lion if it can hit at the right angle. Good hunt, and incredible pictures! Again, the giraffe don't seems to attack or do anything to the lioness, maybe there are no pictures of the deffence, I don't know, but certainly the giraffe seems more "passive" than the buffalo, for example. Just a question, was this a male giraffe? I ask because of the place where the lioness bite it first.  Even then, thank you for the information, I will like to focus in the case of the elephant of "2 tons", like I said, I will like to see the opinions of other about that particular hunt. (04-27-2020, 02:17 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(04-27-2020, 02:11 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:(04-27-2020, 02:04 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(04-27-2020, 01:54 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: In my opinion it depends, for a lion to take down a bull giraffe they have two options: either an ambush while the giraffe is at a low position such as drinking water or laying down, or by attacking the soft areas of the giraffe around their belly and between the legs to cause deep wounds (this is how a lioness was able to bring down an adult giraffe by herself), but even then a giraffe is a deadly adversary, while they lack the horns of the buffalo their kicks are lethal and have enough strength to crush the skull of a lion if it can hit at the right angle. Unfortunately they don't specify the sex of the giraffe but I believe it to be a female, you can read about it here: http://www.barcroft.tv/lioness-struggles-to-kill-giraffe-hwange-national-park-zimbabwe 
Lion kills Bull Eland after latching on for a long time:
 *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Eventually, Lioness pulls down Eland after latching on for a while  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Eland is still alive.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Lioness is tired after killing or incapacitating the Eland bull.  *This image is copyright of its original author Originally, screenshots are from this video, but this was posted in Quora and some forums: @GuateGojira Here is a lone Lion (female) taking down a Bull Eland. (04-27-2020, 03:46 AM)Styx38 Wrote: Lion kills Bull Eland after latching on for a long time: Thank you for the video, I am going to see it now. 
Impressive feats. So in conclusion the biggest prey that a male lion or tiger can kill singlehandedly is around 900-1000kg. Those young elephants I estimated are around 1000 kg and a little bit more. Looks like a very large prey is killed through hamstringing (targeting the legs) such as in the case where the lone lioness took down a bull eland.
 (04-27-2020, 02:11 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: Yes, once the giraffe decides to face off the lion it becomes extremely difficult and highly risky for the lion to inflict a kill because it has to avoid the lethal kicks from the giraffe. When the giraffes run they expose their hindquarters which allows the lions to jump on the to destabilize them or attack their groin. Please don't directly embed photos, irrespective of the source. The link gets broken eventually & photos go defunct after a while. Download & reupload here. |
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