Kambula/Ntsevu Pride

[Guillermo94]

(Yesterday, 06:25 AM)FACR2212 Wrote: @Guillermo94 @BA0701 @RookiePundit @Mapokser 
I appreciate your feedback!!

I will update it taking in consideration all relevant contributions. Regarding current cubs/subadults, the diagram is not intended to be definitive, I have the intention to update it in the next weeks taking consideration not only the lattest but rather the most documented information. You can help me providing first source reports or significant sightings.

@RookiePundit Mangheni twelve are worthy of mention, but I decided to include only those lions who reached adulthood, since the space is limited. Big Boy's sister can't be omitted because she is a living member of Mangheni pride. Anyway, in honor of beloved Big Boy Mangheni, I will sum him in the next actualization of the figure.

@Mapokser  I'm 90% sure that the 4 Mangheni females were daughters of Mr T and KT, because Tsalala pride was seen mating with those two males in 2009 after the split of the coalition. The other 4 males of Mapogo coalition were mostly seen in western Sabi Sands with Othawa and Ximhungwe pride.

That is interesting of Mangehenie lionesses. There is one thing one of the Kambula male lions when younger was similar to ratsa. Finding sources will be difficult. confirming what male lions are related to cubs is hard to say. Only thing is how they were similar to rasta, kinky tail. 

Yes heart breaking and sad Kambula cubs were thirteen for some time along, very long time. Just the Kambula daughter and older Ndhzenga son from Styxt were around. Cub that was injured seems like he is getting better. 

I wanted to ask how is the Ximunguwe lioness related to Tslala ? You can read comments how Ximungwe lioness’s and I forgot the name relatives of Half bros of Rollercoster. Ximunguwe on the chart was a lioness from Tsalala? Sorry I can’t see the chart. 

I also wonder what Kambula lionesses might have new cubs? Reply

[Mapokser]

(Yesterday, 06:25 AM)FACR2212 Wrote: @Mapokser  I'm 90% sure that the 4 Mangheni females were daughters of Mr T and KT, because Tsalala pride was seen mating with those two males in 2009 after the split of the coalition. The other 4 males of Mapogo coalition were mostly seen in western Sabi Sands with Othawa and Ximhungwe pride.

Tsalalas mated with both groups of Mapogo to produce the Mangheni pride in late 2008, the pride was taken over by all 6 and controlled by all 6 until the arrival of the Majingilane.

One of the Western Twin Mapogo with the Tsalala pride in late November 2008, on WildEarth ( full video is at least around an hour long ), guide mentions they were mating, this was the time when the  Mangheni were conceived:

If the embed fails, here the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0BaJ6npq1E


Rob had videos of the Manghenis interacting with Western Mapogo, as both Mapogo coalitions controlled the Tsalala pride:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Tsalalas denned on Ottawa Property, Northern Singita, which was more of Western Mapogo territory:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Even by 2010, when the Majingi arrived, the pride was still under the control of both males, the Tsalalas fled the Majingis by running deep into Mapogo territory in the West, here the Makhulu Mapogo feeding with the Tsalala pride in the West, screenshot from Rob's highlights videos from mid-2010:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Report of the scene above:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Tsalala cubs/subs, the future Mangheni pride, met up with their western fathers and there was some tension as they had not seen the Western Mapogos in a while, but nothing happened since the Western Mapogo were indeed the fathers:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Another report from 2010 of the Tsalala pride with Western Mapogo in the West:

*This image is copyright of its original author

A bonus is also the fact that the last Mangheni to die resembled the Makhulu Mapogo a lot, and her sister who died a month or so before her, resembled Dreadlocks a lot as well both in face and body. Reply

[Ttimemarti]

(Yesterday, 09:44 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(Yesterday, 06:25 AM)FACR2212 Wrote: @Mapokser  I'm 90% sure that the 4 Mangheni females were daughters of Mr T and KT, because Tsalala pride was seen mating with those two males in 2009 after the split of the coalition. The other 4 males of Mapogo coalition were mostly seen in western Sabi Sands with Othawa and Ximhungwe pride.

Tsalalas mated with both groups of Mapogo to produce the Mangheni pride in late 2008, the pride was taken over by all 6 and controlled by all 6 until the arrival of the Majingilane.

One of the Western Twin Mapogo with the Tsalala pride in late November 2008, on WildEarth ( full video is at least around an hour long ), guide mentions they were mating, this was the time when the  Mangheni were conceived:

If the embed fails, here the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0BaJ6npq1E


Rob had videos of the Manghenis interacting with Western Mapogo, as both Mapogo coalitions controlled the Tsalala pride:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Tsalalas denned on Ottawa Property, Northern Singita, which was more of Western Mapogo territory:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Even by 2010, when the Majingi arrived, the pride was still under the control of both males, the Tsalalas fled the Majingis by running deep into Mapogo territory in the West, here the Makhulu Mapogo feeding with the Tsalala pride in the West, screenshot from Rob's highlights videos from mid-2010:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Report of the scene above:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Tsalala cubs/subs, the future Mangheni pride, met up with their western fathers and there was some tension as they had not seen the Western Mapogos in a while, but nothing happened since the Western Mapogo were indeed the fathers:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Another report from 2010 of the Tsalala pride with Western Mapogo in the West:

*This image is copyright of its original author

A bonus is also the fact that the last Mangheni to die resembled the Makhulu Mapogo a lot, and her sister who died a month or so before her, resembled Dreadlocks a lot as well both in face and body.

She did 100% looked like a female makhulu lol Reply

[FACR2212]

(Yesterday, 09:44 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(Yesterday, 06:25 AM)FACR2212 Wrote: @Mapokser  I'm 90% sure that the 4 Mangheni females were daughters of Mr T and KT, because Tsalala pride was seen mating with those two males in 2009 after the split of the coalition. The other 4 males of Mapogo coalition were mostly seen in western Sabi Sands with Othawa and Ximhungwe pride.

Tsalalas mated with both groups of Mapogo to produce the Mangheni pride in late 2008, the pride was taken over by all 6 and controlled by all 6 until the arrival of the Majingilane.

One of the Western Twin Mapogo with the Tsalala pride in late November 2008, on WildEarth ( full video is at least around an hour long ), guide mentions they were mating, this was the time when the  Mangheni were conceived:

If the embed fails, here the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0BaJ6npq1E


Rob had videos of the Manghenis interacting with Western Mapogo, as both Mapogo coalitions controlled the Tsalala pride:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Tsalalas denned on Ottawa Property, Northern Singita, which was more of Western Mapogo territory:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Even by 2010, when the Majingi arrived, the pride was still under the control of both males, the Tsalalas fled the Majingis by running deep into Mapogo territory in the West, here the Makhulu Mapogo feeding with the Tsalala pride in the West, screenshot from Rob's highlights videos from mid-2010:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Report of the scene above:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Tsalala cubs/subs, the future Mangheni pride, met up with their western fathers and there was some tension as they had not seen the Western Mapogos in a while, but nothing happened since the Western Mapogo were indeed the fathers:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Another report from 2010 of the Tsalala pride with Western Mapogo in the West:

*This image is copyright of its original author

A bonus is also the fact that the last Mangheni to die resembled the Makhulu Mapogo a lot, and her sister who died a month or so before her, resembled Dreadlocks a lot as well both in face and body.

Very informative. I will change this point in the next update. Reply