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History's most brutal killers, the Majingilane Male Lions
History's most brutal killers, the Majingilane Male Lions
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History's most brutal killers, the Majingilane Male Lions
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 (04-29-2015, 04:14 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: Where is this from? Link please Packer- "We were able to record roars and broadcast them back to the lions, when we played back the roars, 1 against 1 there is no response, 3 against 1 there was a response, 3 against 3 there was no response," "As long as they outnumbered the intruding lions roar by 2 they always responded" http://www.sunsafaris.com/blog/2013/04/2...the-video/ Here is the doc where they do the count test again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqUFDGR5mE Packer discusses at 21:20 So obviously an outnumbered male may approach at times, for example C-Boy vs the Killers, "but his partner Hildur was no where to be found That was C-Boy’s dilemma. With no partner other than Hildur, a handsome enough male who showed great eagerness to mate but little to fight, C-Boy confronted the Killers, in their aggressive ascendancy, virtually alone. Not even his resplendent black mane could neutralize three-against-one odds. Maybe by now he was already dead. If so, Rosengren and I realized, those minor battle injuries on the faces of the Killers might be the last evidence of C-Boy that anyone would ever see." it is a much rarer occurrence. More often they need to outnumber the foe 3-1 before they do decide to confront, at least according to the reports from Packer. It's a natural response... live to fight another day is usually the desired outcome but exceptions do and will occur.  (04-29-2015, 09:39 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:(04-29-2015, 04:14 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: I don't know where he got it, but I read that here: https://www.cbs.umn.edu/research/labs/li...oup-living
I see it, its from her "Karen McComb "
But Packer found similar outcomes, I have seen lone lions take on Multiple attackers and Lone tigers do the same. I think its just a situational idea, more often than not, the lions are going to avoid conflict if outnumbered, if equal numbers they are going to assess, and if they outnumber the opponent they are going to confront. That is what Packer found and I go off what he says.... My theory is this, I think lions can not only count but tell the age of the intruder by their roar, I think most lions will confront when they think they have an age advantage over the intruder, like with human males, our voice deepens as we get older and I think the same is true for lions. If two lions are roaring and they have a deep booming roar, I think a lone lion will probably abandon ship unless he is a exceptional male. Just a theory but I'm curious if any study has been done on that? 
What I think is The case is that, probably males will lead their prides away if there are cubs near by, they can risk was between themself and a rival pride with cubs present. But ofcourse all cats will avoid a fight, no cats like a serrious fight.
But I agree male lions treat younger males very differently than older males, with both attacking and boldness, when faced with younger intruders, it seems that if old dominant males comes in groupes they will almost every time try to kill one of the intruders if they are young, mapogo and majingilane are perfect examples of that. And I fully agree with you're theory that lions can probably hear the difference between young and mature males, it makes a lot of sense. There is a clip on YouTube where one large male from the crater confronts 4 males and wins, that's an impressive sight, how he intimidates 3 and fights of one. Would have lost if all attacked, but he had the experience and bravery he needed! Also so where have you seen tigers fight of several attackers? That must have been in captivity.
@vizions "wrote"
Back to the Majingilanes. They are ruling since 5 years, and they are clearly the most dominant forces in SS. But they didn't face any serious competition for now. Selatis could have challenge the Majin at one time but were outnumbered in all the fights. The matimba could have challenged them too, but they already have a big territory, and they are already mating with former Majin tribes (Mhangeni, Styx). [/quote] I would probably say the matimbas are even more powerful than the Majingilanes, if I'm not completely wrong they have a coalition of three and the majingilane are four, but I have heard that the Matimbas are very big lions and that belly hair is the biggest male in Sabi Sands, and quoted by "rob the ranger" the majingilane are just about Average size, so I really see the matimbas as an very impressive coalition (04-30-2015, 03:12 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: What I think is The case is that, probably males will lead their prides away if there are cubs near by, they can risk was between themself and a rival pride with cubs present. But ofcourse all cats will avoid a fight, no cats like a serrious fight. Baikal in captivity got into the cage of 2 brothers and fought to the death, the video is available here, you would have to search to find it. But I believe you saw it, where the tiger pair adopted a similar style as a lion coalition, one distracted the male while the other began the attack from behind. The 2nd is in the wild where a Single male took on two younger brothers and killed one of them and the other escaped. I would have to search for it, but @Roflcopters or @Apollo know which account I'm talking about. I'll look for it... Also, do you mind posting where you read this? "I would probably say the matimbas are even more powerful than the Majingilanes, if I'm not completely wrong they have a coalition of three and the majingilane are four, but I have heard that the Matimbas are very big lions and that belly hair is the biggest male in Sabi Sands, and quoted by "rob the ranger" the majingilane are just about Average size, so I really see the matimbas as an very impressive coalition" I like to see first hand accounts of Lions if possible  *This image is copyright of its original author Here is belly hair
The problem with the Matimba coalition is the same as the Mapogos. They are split in 2 groups (3 in the north and 2 in the south), and they haven't been together for a long time (1 year+ i think). The southern Matimbas are outnumbered compared to the Majin's.
And ye, Hairy Belly is probably the biggest male in Sabi Sands at the moment.
Yeah, I read the same thing too, that Hairy Belly is maybe even bigger than Makhulu. Of the three northern matimbas I have only seen some pictures. Big lions though I have the impression they look a little old. The brother of Hairy belly, Ginger, ofter appears in the safari live of wildearth.tv. He's a nice looking lion too.
The southern Matimba males  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author And here the northern Matimbas(I don't have pictures of the three together)  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author I also read that there is a forth, older male, but the last thing I read is that he's not with his brothers, I don't know if he's dead or if he's living with some pride of females. 
@vizions, @"Majingilane", @Pantherinae and others. One more heart breaking sad news. Its really made me sad. And I am in kind of hate with Majis Male Lions.
The last Ximhungwe lioness has just been attacked by the Othawa pride and Majingilane males, she may not survive. She is mauled badly and Injured deeply. Now Ximhungwe pride left with 4 Sub adults. Majingilane male lions will pursue them too, unless they leave the area They don't know about the lioness condition so far, and if they go following her, the majingilane may get them too. Cruel nature.  *This image is copyright of its original author
Why the hate for them Sanjay? The ones wiping out the competition are the Ottawa lionesses.
For the males, on the other hand, it makes no sense attacking them, even though they get carried away by the Ottawas, "defending" them. What I don't get is why that female didn't kept a low profile, knowing that she was alone. But, it's nature, after all. We don't have a say in it.
It was just feeling, I Know the nature of these animals. And there is no real hate.
Actually, I guess only one male lion out of 4 were mating her, So it may be other 3 males and The lioness from Ottawa pride attacked her. Since we don't know the reason what happened exactly so we can not comment on which one fault was that.
Great @sanjay! It's brutal to be a lion! Wonder how many Lions who has lost their lives to the mapogo, majingilane, selatis and Matimbas combined over the years that's not few...
Saw the sad news today.
We can't hate the Majins, but their arrival in the western sector is a disaster for now. One of the two tribe of the western sector is on the merge of disparition. The Ximhungwe tribe have lost their 3 adults lioness in less than 12 months, there's only 4 subs adults left who'll probably be killed by the Othawa pride and the Majins. The Othawa tribe lost their 8 sub adults in the takeover too. By the way, she stayed behind to protect the sub adults. And here's the report on the fight : "The last Ximhungwe lioness has just been attacked by the Othawa pride and a Majingilane male, her back was broken. A second majingilane male broke up the fight and tried to defend her but was too late. She will not survive" |
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