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Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities and Differences between Felids

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It has been proposed quite a few times that comparison threads would interest many. However, usually these threads end up full of voices but still empty of information or constructive collaboration. Nonetheless, we do like interest. Thus, this thread will be our first step in experimenting within the realm of comparison. However, the guidelines of such discourse are going to be explicitly defined, and explicit observance of these guidelines is expected by posters. 

The guidelines are simple. When comparing, we want an approach that rests on evolution, adaptation, ecology, and the like. We strictly forbid the discussion of the "verses" debate and interspecific conflict in terms of fights. Posters who can comfortably work with the desired approach are welcomed and encouraged to join the thread. Those who are enthralled in the art of war will be at the least, banned from this forum at the team's discretion. Due to the fragile nature of the subject, take this paragraph as the official warning and therefore do not expect justification in case the team has to act. Now that the stage rules are set, let us dive in...

Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities and Differences between Felids

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The cat family (Felidae) is undoubtedly one of the most successful carnivorous mammals on the planet. Its origins can be traced back to around 25 MYA in Proailurus. From then until now, numerous species have come and gone. Today, just under 40 species survive. Each has a unique evolutionary history and thus a unique morphology, behavior, and general lifestyle. This leaves us plenty to discuss. 

While it is likely most will be interested in discussion of just the modern big cats, extinct species and the rest of modern cat family are invited to the table. If the thread spans to wide, a future separation may be in order, but until then, this experiment will continue with the aforementioned approach. 
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Table of Contents of Discussion

Here will be a list indexing interesting discussions that take place within this thread. Page and post numbers will be provided. Simply click on the item to be taken to the post.
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Reserved post. 

This post is reserved in case it is needed in the future for a job.

Have a nice photo until then.

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Postcranial Morphology - Proportions

Brachial index - Radius length/Humerus length

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Limb proportions:

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I am looking for some comparison between

1. Tiger and Lion
2. Jaguar and Leopard

Please do not share bunch of images and video, please add some original text and valid theory.

Also no VS debate here.
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To get privilege of posting, please make a request here - http://wildfact.com/forum/topic-request-...only-forum
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( This post was last modified: 05-08-2017, 09:57 AM by Rishi Edit Reason: Detailing & Rectification )

People voice your thoughts on this work. Not my drawing, though the original one was pretty lame & i edited the errors out & made the lion Asiatic (because that's what i've seen & can vouch for)... 

SIMILAR SPECIMENS SHOWING DISSIMILARITY OF PHYSIQUE & COMFORTABLE POSTURE.

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SHOULDER HEIGHT
Lion (male):
* 101 cm (n=50). Range: 86-109 cm. Stevenson-Hamilton (1947) – South Africa.
* 96.2 cm (n=14). Range: 81.3 cm-107 cm. Meinertzhagen (1938) – Kenya, East Africa.
* 110 cm (n=8). No range. Tefera (2003) – Addis Ababa Zoo, Ethiopia.
* 97 cm (n=?). No range. Pocock (1939).
* 114 cm Max. recorded in the Wild (Pitman, 1945). 
* 112 cm. Max. recorded in captivity (Wood, 1983).

Bengal tiger (male):
* 109.3 cm (n=6). Range: 104-114 cm. Brown (1893) – Purneah, India.
* 100 cm (n=43). Range: 88-114 cm . Cooch Behar (1908) – Northeast India.
   88 cm (n=5). Range: 86-91 cm. . Cooch Behar (1908) – Northeast India.
* 99 cm (n=42). Range: 91-112 cm. Brander (1923) – Central India.
* 93.3 cm (n=5). Range: 89-99 cm. Mazák (1983).
* 91 cm (n=?). No range. Pocock (1939).
* 114 cm Max. recorded in the Wild (Cooch Behar (1908) – Brown (1893)). 
* 118 cm Max. recorded standing height in ANY WILD big cat (Ward, 1914)
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On my Kerala Trip i went to Thiruvanantapuram Zoo, where they kept a lion & tiger & jaguar i adjoining cages. I spent 45mins with them...
http://wildfact.com/forum/topic-zoos-cir...8#pid39918 #723 )
Based on that personal experience (also <10cm different "nose-tailbase length" of the image seemed to fit the bill) i shared it.
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( This post was last modified: 05-04-2017, 11:28 PM by sanjay Edit Reason: Don't quote entire post which are just above your reply )

Wow @Rishi, your drawings are better than mine in terms of detail!

And I like your new signature quote: "In the wild, expect the unexpected, as we humans haven't really much clue of what to expect."  The wilderness is the most unpredictable thing out there, much more so than our "rat-race society" where everything has a deadline and strict measures, that is one main reason why we, modern humans, aren't able to survive in the woods because we are not as spontaneous as we once were when we lived in harmony with nature.
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@Rishi, since this section is for quality posts. I would suggest you to add details in form of written text as well (original). So in this case write about the dimensions. Make clear what is called and what is that.

Remember this thread and section is to add values.
Anyone want to to add here, make sure you are ready to write quality.
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( This post was last modified: 05-08-2017, 02:28 PM by Rishi )

Source: Jun's Anatomy  by Jun Huang.
Finder: @brotherbearhttp://wildfact.com/forum/topic-big-cat-anatomy-models )

Smilodon 

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Tiger

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Lion

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Leopard


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Cougar

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Jaguar

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Cheetah

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Both taken by me on the same camera, I tried to find them in similar positions. It's hard to find similar shots of them taken on the same camera so I figured this would be a good comparison image.


Lion v Tiger
The difference in body composition is just as much in these cats as it is in the Bovine.

Females are easier to compare, both are similar in dimension, but both my GF and my self thought that the Tigress just look a bit more strong in the limb section. Even a smaller tigress like Coti Tara, she is just very strong looking, her muscles were more taught. When comparing the biggest females I saw of either species, I'd have to give the edge in overall size in all departments to the Link 8 female, but I'm not sure if she is just a huge female or not, but she looked like a male to me at first, she was massive.

Males are way harder to compare, the mane of the Lion hides a lot but going off of what I can see.
Lions seem taller at the shoulder, the male tiger I saw in Tadoba looked very tall but he was much further off so I couldn't get a close up of him but the Sangam male I saw in kanha is said to be similar height to Munna, Bheema and other Kanha males and he seemed to be shorter at the shoulder.
Body length is very hard to determine with the naked eye.
But when it comes to robustness, the tiger gets the nod, they are more barrel shaped and their muscles seem more massive. Maybe they look more stocky because they seem shorter but they are very robust.

Their personalities are also very different, Lions seem very lazy and don't mind eyes on them, they don't give you much expression and they lay around, a tiger seems to be on edge and much more elusive. Tigers are always moving, even when at the watering hole, they are alert, they prefer to be unseen. The Sangam male was not on edge but on a mission, he was roaring for a female and was moving, tigers are more expressive as my GF put it. Lions seem more confident when around people while tigers just want to slink off into the forest away from viewing eyes but Tigers seem much more unpredictable. They look you in the eye and send shivers down your spine, lions just don't acknowledge you, like you're not even worth their time.

Overall they are two very, very different cats but both command the respect of a King.
Anyone who claims that one is way bigger than the other in any aspect is probably bias, you cannot compare them with the naked eye, they are too different.

In the end, Tigers and Lions are like India and Africa. They are incomparable, both beautiful and dangerous in their own way. Better to enjoy them for what they are than try to stack them up against one another.
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Agree with rishi, @Pckts can you add your comparison here too
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Added @sanjay & @Rishi
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( This post was last modified: 05-21-2017, 12:26 AM by Pckts )


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I resized them so they're exactly the same, I'm going to have them both printed on the same frame, walking towards one another. I'm a little worried that there is more grass between Lion and myself than the Tiger so it may look a little off center, do you guys think it's better to have two separate photos or one photo with them together?

Or should I use this Tiger Image instead?

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I personally like the first Tiger image since the lion and tiger are almost identically positioned.
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