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Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences

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About #58: quite agree with you ! And, anyway, the difference must be quite small.

Nevertheless I am a little bit surprised when you say that both male lions and tigers would run faster than the females. Yes, males are stronger, but being stronger implies to be heavier, so an handicap for running. And when I see some photos of lionesses and tigresses that are almost "gracile" in comparaison, I would have think they run the fastest.

Because, in the human society we speak about "strong sex" and "weak sex" in terms of physical performances, that isn't male chauvinism to state that. But as concerns the wild life, the mammals among wild animals, I seriously think that the females have other assets. And in terms of physical performances, OK males are the strongest, but the females doesn't make up the "weak sex". I wouldn't be surprised to see that they are generally faster.
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(09-24-2017, 01:56 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Polar :

About #58: quite agree with you ! And, anyway, the difference must be quite small.

Nevertheless I am a little bit surprised when you say that both male lions and tigers would run faster than the females. Yes, males are stronger, but being stronger implies to be heavier, so an handicap for running. And when I see some photos of lionesses and tigresses that are almost "gracile" in comparaison, I would have think they run the fastest.

Because, in the human society we speak about "strong sex" and "weak sex" in terms of physical performances, that isn't male chauvinism to state that. But as concerns the wild life, the mammals among wild animals, I seriously think that the females have other assets. And in terms of physical performances, OK males are the strongest, but the females doesn't make up the "weak sex". I wouldn't be surprised to see that they are generally faster.

Lionesses and tigresses might seem faster than their male counterparts, but that is because they look more skinnier and less bulkier: we have this natural pre-conception to state that skinnier and smaller animals run faster than larger animals because greater speed is associated with lower weight in our eyes (the bear is a contradiction to this idea). The female counterparts are definitely more flexible back-wise, I'll give you that, just like human females are more flexible than human males when it comes to the hipbone.

There also comes a part where a more flexible running gait can make a big cat faster (such as tiger having a more flexible gait than lion, and thus running faster), but compared with natural muscular/neuro-muscular advantages these differences are nullified in preference of the muscular advantages in males. Male lions, although heavier, also have more muscle mass per body mass and increased neuro-muscular advantages as a result of testosterone, and that gives them a greater turbo than the females.

However, the difference in flexibility is not as significant as the difference in strength/speed/agility/endurance/reflexes between males and females: with the males having a very clear advantage in the latter and females in the former. Male big cats are incredibly flexible as well. So it would be safe to say that there is a "strong" and a "weaker" sex in terms of physicality in the animal world too.
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@Polar :

About #60: ok, quite agree ! Nothing more to add or object... Like
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Bengal Tiger paws and claws courtesy of Alan Turner Director of Yorkshire Skeleton Museum


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Incredible work of Jaguar hunting a Caiman courtesy of Alan Turner Director of Yorkshire Skeleton Museum, he was inspired to do it after he saw a few videos of Jaguars hunting Caiman in the Pantanal in Brazil

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@epaiva:

About #63: Hell of a job with the bones ! The second photo deforms the proportions... The gavial's front paws seem so frail...
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I had my cousin remove the lines from the photo's I took in Africa/India that I posted here, this was the final image but we adjusted the pixels so it wouldn't end up blurry like this one.


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And the final result hanging in my living room. 

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(12-31-2017, 12:46 AM)Pckts Wrote: And the final result hanging in my living room. 

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Can I buy a copy?




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The Legend of Wagdoh grows!

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Accurate comparison based on actual specimens (n=14)!

(12-01-2017, 06:22 PM)Rishi Wrote: The Laxmi Niwas Palace of Bikaner, Rajasthan (it's a hotel now) built in 1904 before the hunt-ban, has multiple Indian tiger & lion skins by the Maharaja back in the days.
14 of the most prized ones are hung side by side in the Billiard Room.

The head-tail length look very similar to tigers, as Asiatics have long body & short trail. The chest girths seems to be slightly low & the limbs lanky though.

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Some male lions are very well-built. Their gait makes me think about tigers, yes I dare to say that. The tigers have solid shapes whereas lions seem often emaciated. "Earless" , one of the famous Masai Mara lions, seems to be an exception compared to what we have said.

Earless:


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Simply Wow.... Earless is one of the biggest lion I have ever seen....
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(01-29-2018, 01:08 PM)Spalea Wrote: Some male lions are very well-built. Their gait makes me think about tigers, yes I dare to say that. The tigers have solid shapes whereas lions seem often emaciated. "Earless" , one of the famous Masai Mara lions, seems to be an exception compared to what we have said.

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A few more modest ones, I like the full belly look for the ah factor but the normal look gives you a truer representation IMO.

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Younger Earless from 2015

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Earless at Lookout hill. Nov/2017

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Then him full bellied 

Earless looking very fat after their second buffalo kill in 2 day's he was so fat this day that he didn't move into any shade during the day. Nov/2017 


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I'm not taking anything away from him, he's a big Cat, I just like to be realistic when reviewing single images. Either way he certainly was underappreciated by me, he's an awesome Lion.
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@Pckts :

About #55: Even on your first photo ("normal look"), it's an impressive male lion. OK, when I told it wasn't emaciated, not skinny, at all, it was perhaps simply because the food is plentiful on the Masai Mara... On your second photo, Earless was younger, perhaps only 3 or 4 years old, according to the fact it would be 7 years old now.

Indeed, male lions are able to so much eat that they will stay quite still during several hours, sometimes panting and suffocating, and I avoided to show an Earless's photo like this. Wink
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