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Biggest Kaziranga tiger?
Biggest Kaziranga tiger?
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Biggest Kaziranga tiger?
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@TheLioness
thats a very big and impressive tiger. But the thing with camera traps pictures is that they are hard to estimate weight from, it's all about the possioning of the camera, how low how high the camara is placed. I know that from alot of lynx camera tap pictures at the conservation center! And it's even harder with such big cats as tigers, but tis tiger is probably very big! [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]  (07-02-2014, 01:31 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: I'm sorry but I have to go of topic one last time to, @PcktsI hate derailing this thread, I suggest a fighting techniqe thread, but that does tend to spiral out of control, but in response, The reason they can attack the flanks, back and legs is because they have multiple attackers and numbers in their favor. Usually it is a lone lion trying to keep his rear towards the ground like a hyenna, defending multiple attackers. Tigers will attack and bite all over, but do tend to go for the throat more. But I can show you multiple fights where they are biting all over. The problem is, you almost never see lions fight one on one, there are two on you tube and both are brothers with in the same pride, I believe and one has the whole pride trying to break them up. Tigers are very hard to film in the wild, let alone an entire fight, so we can use Neverland if you want. There are a couple of bad fights between tigers, Hobbi vs Young Final 16 and Short ears vs Hobbi, you can see some tiger fighting tactics there. You can watch Jon Varty's tigers in S. Africa fight, as well. That is a brutal one. Either way, both will deliver a throat bite if its open.  *This image is copyright of its original author :) 
hi @Pantherinae
that tiger that the lioness posten is acctually Kzt-083, the tiger you estimated on :) Great Thread by the way
@Pckts Yeah, I know what you mean. Ofc a lion will aswell go for a throat bite on a big maned male, but getting a grip is more difficult. Because I do disaree with packer that the mane does not protect the neck. And have talked with packer on e-mail and have discussed this.And he liked my theories but this is not about the mane at all... Sorry for bringing that up. Yeah I have a few fights I have seen with male against male, but those are young vs adult, and the male goes for the throat, but lionesses break it up when they jump on the big male. I would be very happy to see wild tigers fighting intencely! But as far as I know that does not exist on Youtube.... Usually the once from the wild is just showing how smart tigers are, they do show dominace and if the challenger is smaller and weaker he knows that and just shows subbmision. Thats why I have great respect and facination of tigers. How differently they behave in different situations!
pckts there is plenty of one vs one lion fights, your just not looking in the right places buddy! [img]images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
 'Amnon242 dateline='' Wrote:'Pantherinae dateline='' Wrote: And have talked with packer on e-mail and have discussed this. Let me see what I can find, some time ago, but quite sure it was on my current e-mail. I will look when I get home! [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img] (07-02-2014, 02:21 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: @Pckts Yeah, I know what you mean. Ofc a lion will aswell go for a throat bite on a big maned male, but getting a grip is more difficult. Because I do disaree with packer that the mane does not protect the neck. And have talked with packer on e-mail and have discussed this.And he liked my theories but this is not about the mane at all... Sorry for bringing that up. Yeah I have a few fights I have seen with male against male, but those are young vs adult, and the male goes for the throat, but lionesses break it up when they jump on the big male. I would be very happy to see wild tigers fighting intencely! But as far as I know that does not exist on Youtube.... Usually the once from the wild is just showing how smart tigers are, they do show dominace and if the challenger is smaller and weaker he knows that and just shows subbmision. Thats why I have great respect and facination of tigers. How differently they behave in different situations! Circumstances determine how much a tiger has to fight. Number 1 circumstance, densisty of tigers. Kaziranga has the highest densisty of tigers, it also has the highest number of mortalities due to fighting of any cat species. Lions don't get land locked the way tigers do, they can more freely travel and follow large herds which probably why they have can have a less densisty, that and the fact that african plains are open and flat compared to the tough travel of jungles and tall grass. I know male lions in the Serengetti lead multiple prides and would travel back n forth between them. I believe there are a few other lions that migrate throughout different prides and territories as well. I believe it was Crater lions that are actually lions from different areas.
And of course the mane protects the neck. It is not armor, it is not a game changer. Lions have been killed by other lions from wounds or bites to the neck/maned area, they have been killed by tigers, Proske talks specifically about a "large black maned lion who was killed by a tiger with one great bite to the neck".
Another account of a tiger killing a lion, the tiger was frustrated by the lions mane and couldn't get a throat hold so it finally succeeded in ripping a lions stomach open. I am not trying to make this a L vs T debate. But just stating two accounts that show the manes capabilities and limits. The number 1 purpose for a mane, IMO is symbolizim. There is a reason the biggest blackest mane attracks the females. But I have seen big black maned lions be defeated by young scantly maned up and comers. The mane also is a heat magnifier, so a big black maned animal is not growing it for advantage in hunting or fighting, it is a sign to the girls that he is the dominate male and is healthy enough to support a huge mane. I don't want to derail this thread anymore, just so you pantherinae, we have tons of debates on the purpose of the mane on old multiple forums just like this one. You should check them out, and if you want to start a thread here, feel free.
@Pckts
lets take the mane some other time, I agree let's keep the topic! But one thing is that I maybe think the Krüger male lions can have a higher mortalaty rate, than the Kaziranga tigers, maopogo lions where said to have killed over 100 lions in 5 years, and thats more lions than there is of tigers in the whole Kaziranga national park. Also majingilane and salati lions have killed dusin's of lions. Hard to say, but lions there are said to be very aggressive. (07-02-2014, 08:50 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: @Pckts Packer stated that serengetti lions don't fight often. The pride from the documentory fought once in 3 years, then when they lost it, only one fought four and the other brother ran off. There are exceptions to every rule, but this will probably end up being a undistinguishable debate the same as the mane. Lets keep it on topic from here on out, as you said.  *This image is copyright of its original author http://www.qgis.org/en/site/about/case_s...assam.html  *This image is copyright of its original author http://www.tehelka.com/rescued-tiger-suc...-in-assam/  *This image is copyright of its original author http://tigersafaris.in/tiger_reserves_in...er_reserve  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-...807004.ece  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author http://twcnomad.blogspot.com/2007/12/ass...ching.html  *This image is copyright of its original author
 *This image is copyright of its original author Nice pictures Pckts but this is the Late B2 of Bandhavgarh [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]  (07-30-2014, 04:34 PM)'Roflcopters' Wrote: B2 is an impressive tiger. Lean and mean as opposed to bulky like other tigers in this thread. May not be the heaviest on display, but nonetheless, the most physically impressive - in my eyes - of the lot. A heavyweight in prime condition at the time of this photo. |
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