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Bear and bigcats anatomy

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(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
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Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



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I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.
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(02-28-2019, 03:01 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
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Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author
I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.

I remember, that when I searched for information about it, that how bones change in time when drying after death, that there is some marginal change in size. It was some time ago and not the easiest issue to find good information. But as far as I remember, bones (and naturally including skull) do shrink marginally in time. But I don´t feel comfortable to put here any estimations because I don´t remember now too well, that what was meant by marginal there.
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(02-28-2019, 04:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 03:01 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author

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*This image is copyright of its original author

Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author
I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.

I remember, that when I searched for information about it, that how bones change in time when drying after death, that there is some marginal change in size. It was some time ago and not the easiest issue to find good information. But as far as I remember, bones (and naturally including skull) do shrink marginally in time. But I don´t feel comfortable to put here any estimations because I don´t remember now too well, that what was meant by marginal there.

AFAIK according to someone in Quora.com when someone asked does cranium shrink as we age, the bones do not shrink. The cartilage between moving bones can compress so it's possible that the skeleton can get shorter. But the skull is composed of immobile interlocking bones, so it doesn't change size. I don't know.

But this link is interesting https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads...ink.93886/
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(02-28-2019, 07:30 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 04:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 03:01 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author
I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.

I remember, that when I searched for information about it, that how bones change in time when drying after death, that there is some marginal change in size. It was some time ago and not the easiest issue to find good information. But as far as I remember, bones (and naturally including skull) do shrink marginally in time. But I don´t feel comfortable to put here any estimations because I don´t remember now too well, that what was meant by marginal there.

AFAIK according to someone in Quora.com when someone asked does cranium shrink as we age, the bones do not shrink. The cartilage between moving bones can compress so it's possible that the skeleton can get shorter. But the skull is composed of immobile interlocking bones, so it doesn't change size. I don't know.

But this link is interesting https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads...ink.93886/

Yes it is one thing, when alive. But after death there are other kind of changes. That issue is surprisingly difficult to find clear information from internet. But when any tissue dries it happens to shrink same time. Bone naturally much less than some softer tissue.
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(02-28-2019, 03:01 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author
I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.


I don't think the skull would get shrunk, but rather after being fully cleaned; the flesh and tissue around the skull have been fully removed.

BTW, it is still a very large and robust skull. And can you make more inquiry to @oddarticulations about the weight of the skull and canine tooth?
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(02-28-2019, 11:03 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 03:01 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author
I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.


I don't think the skull would get shrunk, but rather after being fully cleaned; the flesh and tissue around the skull have been fully removed.

BTW, it is still a very large and robust skull. And can you make more inquiry to @oddarticulations about the weight of the skull and canine tooth?

He did said the skull is slightly swollen when it was still wet so I think you're right and he didn't used calipers when he measured the skull previously. The second time he measured the skull with calipers, he eventually got the accurate measurements.

Do you mean length of the canine teeth? The full length of its canines including the root is 5' straightline. He still didn't weigh the skull because it is still not fully cleaned.
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(03-01-2019, 12:17 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 11:03 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 03:01 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author
I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.


I don't think the skull would get shrunk, but rather after being fully cleaned; the flesh and tissue around the skull have been fully removed.

BTW, it is still a very large and robust skull. And can you make more inquiry to @oddarticulations about the weight of the skull and canine tooth?

He did said the skull is slightly swollen when it was still wet so I think you're right and he didn't used calipers when he measured the skull previously. The second time he measured the skull with calipers, he eventually got the accurate measurements.

Do you mean length of the canine teeth? The full length of its canines including the root is 5' straightline. He still didn't weigh the skull because it is still not fully cleaned.

Had he weighed the 5' canine tooth so far?

Just need to know the weight of his largest liger canine tooth.
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(03-01-2019, 12:52 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(03-01-2019, 12:17 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 11:03 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-28-2019, 03:01 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(02-10-2019, 08:47 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:
(02-06-2019, 12:39 AM)peter Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 04:01 AM)epaiva Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Interesting, Epaiva. Could you get hold of the precise measurements (in mm.) of all skulls and add a few details (source, age, year, gender, captive, wild)? Things like that. The more details, the better.

It would be very nice if you could show all skulls of big cats next to each other. This will enable readers to see the differences between them at a glance. Thanks in advance.

Is possible for a modern lion/tiger skull to attain above 30 cm in the zygomatic width?

Here is a male liger skull from the online taxidermist @oddarticulations.

The total length is 410 mm and width is 308 mm, the rostrum looks to be around 135 mm.



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author
I just asked @oddarticulations on Instagram about the current measurements of the largest liger skull. It is actually 409.58mm long and 299.40mm wide. Do skulls shrink in size after awhile?

But anyway, I do think the largest modern tiger and lion skull (liger skull included) should be around 17 inches in length and around 12 inches in width.


I don't think the skull would get shrunk, but rather after being fully cleaned; the flesh and tissue around the skull have been fully removed.

BTW, it is still a very large and robust skull. And can you make more inquiry to @oddarticulations about the weight of the skull and canine tooth?

He did said the skull is slightly swollen when it was still wet so I think you're right and he didn't used calipers when he measured the skull previously. The second time he measured the skull with calipers, he eventually got the accurate measurements.

Do you mean length of the canine teeth? The full length of its canines including the root is 5' straightline. He still didn't weigh the skull because it is still not fully cleaned.

Had he weighed the 5' canine tooth so far?

Just need to know the weight of his largest liger canine tooth.

Not yet, because he told me the canines are still at the casters.
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Panthera tigris sondaica - Javan Tiger in Natural History Museum in Oudenbosch, Netherlands
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Proportionally large canines on the Javan Tiger skull.
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