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About #70: I believe this man, on the photo you show, would be unable to do the same thing with a Cape African buffalo, simply because the African buffalo's horns are more curved, shorter but more massive (wider). Thus, the man's hands would be closer to the neck/spinal column axis. Therefore the bovid would have much more strength to throw him... Even if the water buffalo's dimensions can be larger.
The fact that their horns are longer allows the man to hold them further from the neck/spinal column axis. But is this water buffalo, seeming very powerful, domestic or wild ?
Nevertheless water buffalos are very impressive animals !
This theory reminded about my science class at school which I had never thought of, kind of like force farther from fulcrum will be more efficient at cracking nut kind of thing you are talking about lol. However this buffalo is tamed, if it was a wild one mere human force is absolutely no match he could never manipulate the head of that beast by controlling horns absolutely not, buffalo lifts another buffalo on the tips of one horn so humans are no comparison, naturally short horned animal should generate more force for tossing eg bison. However this analogy is somewhat one sided as there are also other bio mechanics like muscle mass to withstand the strain of extra weight of horns, types of muscles, flexibility to consider, as we have seen from prehistory there were pelorovis and longhorned bison that had the biggest horns and it worked for them. So again cape buffalo would have certainly thrown the puny human in the air, as does water buffalo if it did not want to oblige.
Here we come also to that one thing, what can´t be forgotten. Humans know weak spots of these animals. With some animals that doesn´t help if not with a gun. But with some animals that knowledge does help, if there is someone in good physical condition, knowing exactly what doing, then one can have possibility to force certain animals to ground at least for a moment. Long horns mean after all good leverage if able to grab and then make swift and determined move just in right time and right direction. This can be seen in rodeo performances and in many shows.
So it is not about pure strength but learned skills. Same thing can be seen when predators like lions and tigers hunt big prey. Of course they are weaker than big prey animals, they just are strong enough with needed skills and "weapons". Then again it is one thing to be able to take down some bull from horns, another thing is to keep it there and/or do it again when bull is really mad and paying attention....
There is a 0 % chance of a human being able to subdue a Buffalo giving it's all, he would get tossed like a ragdoll.
Here in the states, Cows kill an average of 22 people a year, more than Sharks!
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About #70: I believe this man, on the photo you show, would be unable to do the same thing with a Cape African buffalo, simply because the African buffalo's horns are more curved, shorter but more massive (wider). Thus, the man's hands would be closer to the neck/spinal column axis. Therefore the bovid would have much more strength to throw him... Even if the water buffalo's dimensions can be larger.
The fact that their horns are longer allows the man to hold them further from the neck/spinal column axis. But is this water buffalo, seeming very powerful, domestic or wild ?
Nevertheless water buffalos are very impressive animals !
This theory reminded about my science class at school which I had never thought of, kind of like force farther from fulcrum will be more efficient at cracking nut kind of thing you are talking about lol. However this buffalo is tamed, if it was a wild one mere human force is absolutely no match he could never manipulate the head of that beast by controlling horns absolutely not, buffalo lifts another buffalo on the tips of one horn so humans are no comparison, naturally short horned animal should generate more force for tossing eg bison. However this analogy is somewhat one sided as there are also other bio mechanics like muscle mass to withstand the strain of extra weight of horns, types of muscles, flexibility to consider, as we have seen from prehistory there were pelorovis and longhorned bison that had the biggest horns and it worked for them. So again cape buffalo would have certainly thrown the puny human in the air, as does water buffalo if it did not want to oblige.
Here we come also to that one thing, what can´t be forgotten. Humans know weak spots of these animals. With some animals that doesn´t help if not with a gun. But with some animals that knowledge does help, if there is someone in good physical condition, knowing exactly what doing, then one can have possibility to force certain animals to ground at least for a moment. Long horns mean after all good leverage if able to grab and then make swift and determined move just in right time and right direction. This can be seen in rodeo performances and in many shows.
So it is not about pure strength but learned skills. Same thing can be seen when predators like lions and tigers hunt big prey. Of course they are weaker than big prey animals, they just are strong enough with needed skills and "weapons". Then again it is one thing to be able to take down some bull from horns, another thing is to keep it there and/or do it again when bull is really mad and paying attention....
There is a 0 % chance of a human being able to subdue a Buffalo giving it's all, he would get tossed like a ragdoll.
Here in the states, Cows kill an average of 22 people a year, more than Sharks!
As I wrote, with some animals knowing weak spots doesn´t help without a gun
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About #70: I believe this man, on the photo you show, would be unable to do the same thing with a Cape African buffalo, simply because the African buffalo's horns are more curved, shorter but more massive (wider). Thus, the man's hands would be closer to the neck/spinal column axis. Therefore the bovid would have much more strength to throw him... Even if the water buffalo's dimensions can be larger.
The fact that their horns are longer allows the man to hold them further from the neck/spinal column axis. But is this water buffalo, seeming very powerful, domestic or wild ?
Nevertheless water buffalos are very impressive animals !
This theory reminded about my science class at school which I had never thought of, kind of like force farther from fulcrum will be more efficient at cracking nut kind of thing you are talking about lol. However this buffalo is tamed, if it was a wild one mere human force is absolutely no match he could never manipulate the head of that beast by controlling horns absolutely not, buffalo lifts another buffalo on the tips of one horn so humans are no comparison, naturally short horned animal should generate more force for tossing eg bison. However this analogy is somewhat one sided as there are also other bio mechanics like muscle mass to withstand the strain of extra weight of horns, types of muscles, flexibility to consider, as we have seen from prehistory there were pelorovis and longhorned bison that had the biggest horns and it worked for them. So again cape buffalo would have certainly thrown the puny human in the air, as does water buffalo if it did not want to oblige.
Here we come also to that one thing, what can´t be forgotten. Humans know weak spots of these animals. With some animals that doesn´t help if not with a gun. But with some animals that knowledge does help, if there is someone in good physical condition, knowing exactly what doing, then one can have possibility to force certain animals to ground at least for a moment. Long horns mean after all good leverage if able to grab and then make swift and determined move just in right time and right direction. This can be seen in rodeo performances and in many shows.
So it is not about pure strength but learned skills. Same thing can be seen when predators like lions and tigers hunt big prey. Of course they are weaker than big prey animals, they just are strong enough with needed skills and "weapons". Then again it is one thing to be able to take down some bull from horns, another thing is to keep it there and/or do it again when bull is really mad and paying attention....
There is a 0 % chance of a human being able to subdue a Buffalo giving it's all, he would get tossed like a ragdoll.
Here in the states, Cows kill an average of 22 people a year, more than Sharks!
As I wrote, with some animals knowing weak spots doesn´t help without a gun
But there is difference between able to bring down some animal to ground quickly if able to surprise it totally.... and then keeping it there :) Or surviving after that, when for instance buffalo rises up fully irritated : wouldn´t try my luck and I think, that not also men, who do that in some show number running away immediately after performance.
@Jimmy : you're quite right ! Sorry I take it all back, there is no chance to imagine a lone man mastering a such powerful beast, even domesticated... Your movies are very impressive ! I was misused by the photo you posted... My "physic" explanations were ridiculous.
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01-12-2019, 08:19 AM( This post was last modified: 01-12-2019, 08:21 AM by Jimmy )
3 calves of wild water buffaloes in Chitwan, born in August- September and doing well till now, currently there are 9 translocated adults of breeding age kept in a large boma. They are bringing more buffaloes this year. Large herd is vital for safeguarding against tiger once they are released. Pics from Chitwan
One of the most impressive skull collection from Kuch behar. Big and nice quality pic
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Most are wild buffaloes skulls, two gaur skulls on the bottom 2nd ones, and one in the top middle, two sambar skulls on top 2nd row on either side with three points, two barahsingha skulls on the bottom either side. Then three rhinos skull on the bottom in the middle. Tiger, wild boar and probably bear skulls? on the floor.
I'm assuming by their accents this is Australia and thus not an Asian Waterbuffalo but it's domestic cousin.
Still he is a big boy and you can see that Croc is large too but not large enough to make a go at that monster.
02-16-2019, 04:41 AM( This post was last modified: 02-16-2019, 04:42 AM by epaiva )
(02-16-2019, 03:58 AM)Pckts Wrote: I'm assuming by their accents this is Australia and thus not an Asian Waterbuffalo but it's domestic cousin.
Still he is a big boy and you can see that Croc is large too but not large enough to make a go at that monster.
Very good video Buffalo is too big and powerful for that croc
02-16-2019, 08:04 AM( This post was last modified: 02-16-2019, 08:27 AM by Wolverine )
These water buffaloes were once feral but later returned to wild. Swampy areas of Northern Australia now are home of the largest population of semi-wild water buffaloes and the largest population of salt water crocodiles in the world - 150 000 buffaloes and 100-200 000 crocs. Crocs were once almost annihilated by humans in Australia but now are well protected already several decades so taking into account that crocs need a time to grow probably after 1-2 decades protection could be expected a really gigantic saltwater crocs in Australia.
Map of distribution of semi-wild water buffaloes in Australia:
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Some of Australia's buffaloes have not bad sized horns
02-16-2019, 08:34 AM( This post was last modified: 02-16-2019, 08:38 AM by Rishi )
(02-16-2019, 08:04 AM)Wolverine Wrote: Some of Australia's buffaloes have not bad sized horns
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but some have much smaller horns:
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So there is no genetic homogeneity... Probably were haphazardly obtained from all over Asia.
The one in @Pckts' video on a very much the wild ones though. It only natural that wild OG water-buffalo genetic traits would prevail & dominate with time.
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Asian Wild Water-Buffalo (Bubalus arnee)
wouldn´t try my luck and I think, that not also men, who do that in some show number running away immediately after performance.
