Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers

[Jerricson]

(09-19-2022, 06:51 PM)AristotelWAW Wrote: Just saw that information regarding T-20 / Jhumroo on a YouTube Community Tab. However in a other community tab this is the information that was posted.

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It's getting bored at this point , Yusuf. Reply

[Charger01]

Yeah I can't take more of this bs

   

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[Charger01]

(09-20-2022, 12:13 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:04 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:02 AM)GreenForest Wrote:

(09-19-2022, 06:51 PM)AristotelWAW Wrote: Just saw that information regarding T-20 / Jhumroo on a YouTube Community Tab. However in a other community tab this is the information that was posted.

*This image is copyright of its original author

This sounds right. As per the original report by tiger walah (2012), the tiger was swiftly tranquilized and moved to the safety of protected area. It is quite unlikely they would have measured the tiger after it woke up. It is possible 280kg is estimated weight by vets before tranquillisation. 

@"Khan85" Mate, you have to reveal the source from where you got it.

So you guys can spam him asking the same thing a 100 times?

Our chances of getting information about multiple other ranthambore tigers has already been ruined

His source is valid, there's no question. I'm not one to be easily convinced without verifiable proof.

Sorry Im a bit confused, but was that for me or green forest? Reply

[Pckts]

(09-20-2022, 12:53 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:13 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:04 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:02 AM)GreenForest Wrote:

(09-19-2022, 06:51 PM)AristotelWAW Wrote: Just saw that information regarding T-20 / Jhumroo on a YouTube Community Tab. However in a other community tab this is the information that was posted.

*This image is copyright of its original author

This sounds right. As per the original report by tiger walah (2012), the tiger was swiftly tranquilized and moved to the safety of protected area. It is quite unlikely they would have measured the tiger after it woke up. It is possible 280kg is estimated weight by vets before tranquillisation. 

@"Khan85" Mate, you have to reveal the source from where you got it.

So you guys can spam him asking the same thing a 100 times?

Our chances of getting information about multiple other ranthambore tigers has already been ruined

His source is valid, there's no question. I'm not one to be easily convinced without verifiable proof.

Sorry Im a bit confused, but was that for me or green forest?

That was for the ones questioning your source. Reply

[Roflcopters]

@Rage2277 


Jaichand was never radio-collared. i don’t know if he was captured at any point. he ruled Umred from (mid 2016 - Jan 2018) before he too went missing and possibly poached. there’s some really sketchy stuff going on down there. I hope Matkasur’s boy doesn’t meet the same fate. fingers crossed. Reply

[Rage2277]

yea i said the same..some shady stuff going on in umred jaichand sired some cubs aswell haven't seen or heard anything on them it's like there are barely any tigers there anymore nagzira too @Roflcopters Reply

[Roflcopters]

@GreenForest 

Quote:What makes you to think so? We only care about authentic, reliable information. Cross verification, double checking is part of the process. You should not be worried that someone will ask your source again.

I don’t know what experience you have, if any. when it comes to communicating with people in the field. especially in India. you’ll find that a lot of the times these researchers don’t want to be named. it’s usually a grey area. if a poster claims they spoke to somebody and they don’t want to be named. we can play our part and respect that. still i think most here are willing to communicate via PMs so that we’re all on the same page. in the past, i used to always grill @GuateGojira about not including these unofficial weights but lately, i’m starting to realize his reasonings were valid and i respect the fact that he wants to be as transparent as possible. the way i see it, it’s not about perfection. we’re all collectively learning together and we can continue to do so with an open mind and a higher approach. scientific journals and publications are limited, legitimacy of those can never be questioned. i can agree with that but on the other side. grass is also green, unofficial weights coming from people in the field can also be respected. it takes a lot of personal time, patience and back n forth communication to acquire those. we can always get to the bottom of most things posted with just some background info. just my two cents.  Reply

[strongmanw7]

(09-20-2022, 12:21 AM)Jerricson Wrote:

(09-19-2022, 06:51 PM)AristotelWAW Wrote: Just saw that information regarding T-20 / Jhumroo on a YouTube Community Tab. However in a other community tab this is the information that was posted.

*This image is copyright of its original author

It's getting bored at this point , Yusuf.

yusuf is everywhere ,lol Reply

[abhisingh7]

(09-20-2022, 06:13 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: @GreenForest 

Quote:What makes you to think so? We only care about authentic, reliable information. Cross verification, double checking is part of the process. You should not be worried that someone will ask your source again.

I don’t know what experience you have, if any. when it comes to communicating with people in the field. especially in India. you’ll find that a lot of the times these researchers don’t want to be named. it’s usually a grey area. if a poster claims they spoke to somebody and they don’t want to be named. we can play our part and respect that. still i think most here are willing to communicate via PMs so that we’re all on the same page. in the past, i used to always grill @GuateGojira about not including these unofficial weights but lately, i’m starting to realize his reasonings were valid and i respect the fact that he wants to be as transparent as possible. the way i see it, it’s not about perfection. we’re all collectively learning together and we can continue to do so with an open mind and a higher approach. scientific journals and publications are limited, legitimacy of those can never be questioned. i can agree with that but on the other side. grass is also green, unofficial weights coming from people in the field can also be respected. it takes a lot of personal time, patience and back n forth communication to acquire those. we can always get to the bottom of most things posted with just some background info. just my two cents. 

sariska TR should have documentation like panna TR .... it will be nice if they release the data like panna . Reply

[GreenForest]

@Roflcopters  It is fine if contact information of the source is not revealed. But, as a bare minimum, one would expect name of the source and qualification. I always post the name of the source, their qualification from my email communication so that if others want to contact, they are free to do so. One will only get suspicion if even name of the source is not revealed. Recently T28's weight was posted, there was no source. T24's weight was posted, there was no source. Not many will trust these type of source-less data. Our goal has to be quality data, verifiable, proven, transparent. If it is difficult to get data, then we will wait until data is peer reviewed and published. That is better than source-less data in my opinion. Reply

[Pckts]

(09-21-2022, 01:37 AM)GreenForest Wrote: @Roflcopters  It is fine if contact information of the source is not revealed. But, as a bare minimum, one would expect name of the source and qualification. I always post the name of the source, their qualification from my email communication so that if others want to contact, they are free to do so. One will only get suspicion if even name of the source is not revealed. Recently T28's weight was posted, there was no source. T24's weight was posted, there was no source. Not many will trust these type of source-less data. Our goal has to be quality data, verifiable, proven, transparent. If it is difficult to get data, then we will wait until data is peer reviewed and published. That is better than source-less data in my opinion.

T28’s 240 kg was sourced by the sedating vet if I remember correctly. Unfortunately the image was lost, all others I’ve seen no such sources.

But with regards to Jhumroo, after seeing the source do you agree with the claim? Reply

[Roflcopters]

(09-21-2022, 01:37 AM)GreenForest Wrote: @Roflcopters  It is fine if contact information of the source is not revealed. But, as a bare minimum, one would expect name of the source and qualification. I always post the name of the source, their qualification from my email communication so that if others want to contact, they are free to do so. One will only get suspicion if even name of the source is not revealed. Recently T28's weight was posted, there was no source. T24's weight was posted, there was no source. Not many will trust these type of source-less data. Our goal has to be quality data, verifiable, proven, transparent. If it is difficult to get data, then we will wait until data is peer reviewed and published. That is better than source-less data in my opinion.

fair enough, i can’t argue with that. you have a valid point. 


@Pckts 

T20/Jhumroo a day prior to capture was seen feeding on a cattle kill so the weight of 280kg is with stomach content.

here is the extract of the events below.

T20 aka Jhumroo a 11 year old male tiger was finally tranquilized and later released deep inside the protected area. As per eye witness Jhumroo, who is otherwise very shy in  nature was probably enjoying his meal of cattle when a villager got too close to his comfort and was attacked. As  news started spreading & place was full of tamasha viewers, one  more man got entangled in the bushes and fell, he was also attacked  by  tiger leaving him with multiple injuries to nurse. By this time more villagers had gathered at the spot, approximately 700 in number making the rescue operation more difficult.
Jhumoroo being shifted

Before things could turn ugly, forest department under leadership of DCF (Core) Mr. Y.K Sahu  along with one forest guard Rajveer & tourism driver Raees Bhai  swiftly tranquilized the tiger and moved him away to safety of protected area. Mr. Sahu lead his team from front-reached the spot himself  & directed the entire operation, he was infact first to walk towards  tiger post darting to ensure that this gentle beast was sedated properly . Sensing mood of crowd, he also moved the tiger immediately from spot to avoid any undesired incident. Since the department personnel were clearly outnumbered & crowd had  already man handled the local SDM & some police officials during the operation, this surely was a wise move.

The tiger has been sighted by forest department today afternoon in the area he was released yesterday & seems to be doing fine. During monsoon time village cattle starts flocking the forest for grazing, as the natural prey base shift to higher places these animals become an easy catch for big cats. The search for easy prey had probably taken this 280 kg giant to forest periphery on the eastern side of Park boundary.

This situation might worsen in coming months as more people would enter park during monsoon apprx 2000 per day for various reasons like fodder, food, grazing etc.

Bagh Bachao needs to work at grass root level as it is a classic case of struggle between ‘The Haves’ & ‘Have Not’s.The Have’s have all the luxuries in live & wish to ‘save the tiger’ having wiped out forests and wild animals from their vicinity. This set of people also decide on policy matters which directly impact the ‘have not’ population on ground.
Have not’s on the other hand are custodians of rich flora & fauna of India, live a very meager life deprived of even basic amenities & are expected to move out of places they have lived for generations, accept meager sums of money for loss of cattle and life. Why would they & why should they ???

Hoping we would have a solution to this very complex issue some day before i hang up.
Before i get tempted to join the band wagon of conservationists & start giving any kind of gyan which is not the motto of this blog, i terminate this blog post with a satisfaction in heart that my favorite tiger is safe & back in wilderness. Reply

[abhisingh7]

(09-20-2022, 12:53 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:13 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:04 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:02 AM)GreenForest Wrote:

(09-19-2022, 06:51 PM)AristotelWAW Wrote: Just saw that information regarding T-20 / Jhumroo on a YouTube Community Tab. However in a other community tab this is the information that was posted.

*This image is copyright of its original author

This sounds right. As per the original report by tiger walah (2012), the tiger was swiftly tranquilized and moved to the safety of protected area. It is quite unlikely they would have measured the tiger after it woke up. It is possible 280kg is estimated weight by vets before tranquillisation. 

@"Khan85" Mate, you have to reveal the source from where you got it.

So you guys can spam him asking the same thing a 100 times?

Our chances of getting information about multiple other ranthambore tigers has already been ruined

His source is valid, there's no question. I'm not one to be easily convinced without verifiable proof.

Sorry Im a bit confused, but was that for me or green forest?

dharmendra khandal who darted ustaad mentions its weight as 260-270kg on social media (facebook)  , he has perhaps darted a lot of other males too . he can be contacted for further clarity and more details . Reply

[Pckts]

(09-21-2022, 02:58 PM)abhisingh7 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:53 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:13 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:04 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(09-20-2022, 12:02 AM)GreenForest Wrote:

(09-19-2022, 06:51 PM)AristotelWAW Wrote: Just saw that information regarding T-20 / Jhumroo on a YouTube Community Tab. However in a other community tab this is the information that was posted.

*This image is copyright of its original author

This sounds right. As per the original report by tiger walah (2012), the tiger was swiftly tranquilized and moved to the safety of protected area. It is quite unlikely they would have measured the tiger after it woke up. It is possible 280kg is estimated weight by vets before tranquillisation. 

@"Khan85" Mate, you have to reveal the source from where you got it.

So you guys can spam him asking the same thing a 100 times?

Our chances of getting information about multiple other ranthambore tigers has already been ruined

His source is valid, there's no question. I'm not one to be easily convinced without verifiable proof.

Sorry Im a bit confused, but was that for me or green forest?

dharmendra khandal who darted ustaad mentions its weight as 260-270kg on social media (facebook)  , he has perhaps darted a lot of other males too . he can be contacted for further clarity and more details .

Can you screen shot the post? Reply

[Pckts]

@"Khan85" 
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it. 

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