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(08-18-2024, 10:29 PM)KM600 Wrote: Khanya and NK. Both these groups must be extremely close to each other.
Very interesting, could we finally see Nkuhuma make a play to becoming dominant? I'd rather see him find it somewhere else, honestly, what with the cubs and all, and his penchant in that regard.
(08-18-2024, 10:29 PM)KM600 Wrote: Khanya and NK. Both these groups must be extremely close to each other.
Very interesting, could we finally see Nkuhuma make a play to becoming dominant? I'd rather see him find it somewhere else, honestly, what with the cubs and all, and his penchant in that regard.
I can’t see it happening. If he encounters the BDM and Mohawk with Khanya they might chase them but it’s pretty pointless. Kambulas are obviously still in the area although being seen further North into Manyeleti, Mantinmahles are being seen further West around Arathusa and then u still have PCMs. Both their bond and coalition size isn’t strong enough to compete.
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‘ We found the Southern Pride not too far from where we left them in the morning. They were resting on a small rocky outcrop overlooking their surroundings. It was clear from their behaviour that they were still nervous because of the unwanted male lions that were in their territory recently. After resting for a while, they moved on towards a small waterhole to quench their thirst before continuing their journey in the evening.
Lion prides with cubs are usually very cautious about where they take their cubs, especially when there is unknown lion activity in or around their territory. No pride wants to lead their young ones towards danger and risk having them killed. The Southern Pride has done a great job of keeping their pride numbers high so far, and hopefully they will continue to thrive as one of the most famous prides in the region.’
08-19-2024, 06:10 PM( This post was last modified: 08-19-2024, 06:11 PM by KM600 )
I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
To be fair the Manghenis also have more lionesses than the Ximunghwe lionesses yet the PCMs still visit them quite regularly, even after both prides gave birth to cubs. I'm just speculating here but by the time the Otthawa females come into estrus the PCMs should have mated with all the receptive Nkuhuma lionesses by that point and this could bring them back west.
As for challenges for Nkuhuma pride, yeah the PCMs don't have any strong competition at the moment, The only other coalitions that could make a move into that region are the Ndzhengas and Mantimahles and they seem content with what they have.
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
To be fair the Manghenis also have more lionesses than the Ximunghwe lionesses yet the PCMs still visit them quite regularly, even after both prides gave birth to cubs. I'm just speculating here but by the time the Otthawa females come into estrus the PCMs should have mated with all the receptive Nkuhuma lionesses by that point and this could bring them back west.
As for challenges for Nkuhuma pride, yeah the PCMs don't have any strong competition at the moment, The only other coalitions that could make a move into that region are the Ndzhengas and Mantimahles and they seem content with what they have.
The Gijimas could be considered as well. I have said it before, but out of the PCMs, the Nwas, and the Gijimas, I believe on any given day, any one of them could defeat the other, with the right circumstances, and a little luck. But, the Gijimas seem to have their paws full, atm, trying to keep the Nkhulus at bay, they are definitely not looking to expand, and instead are trying to keep what they have.
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
To be fair the Manghenis also have more lionesses than the Ximunghwe lionesses yet the PCMs still visit them quite regularly, even after both prides gave birth to cubs. I'm just speculating here but by the time the Otthawa females come into estrus the PCMs should have mated with all the receptive Nkuhuma lionesses by that point and this could bring them back west.
As for challenges for Nkuhuma pride, yeah the PCMs don't have any strong competition at the moment, The only other coalitions that could make a move into that region are the Ndzhengas and Mantimahles and they seem content with what they have.
I feel the Mantimahles are experience like the Ndzhenga male lions. How old are the Mantimahles? They must be around the same age as the Ndzhenga male lions. They would both be a problem for any male lions. The Mantimhle male lions very dark manes remind me a bit of Makulu their manes are very dark and black.
Both coalitions "often" chasing each other around.
The showdown has been going on for months now. They are neighboring coalitions and always testing the strenght of one another.
For now the Gijimas can easily handle two or even three Nkhulus, no matter if outnumbered, but things can change when heavily outnumbered, and Nkhulus have 6 males, all getting back to their good shape for what it seems.
The Sand Rivers have barely mothered any new litters. IIRC only one or two, of each consisting of 2 or 3 cubs, that we havent heard of since what... May?
Theres 6 females in total, Nkhulus got some work to do before actually expanding.
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(08-19-2024, 10:49 PM)Go131810 Wrote: I feel the Mantimahles are experience like the Ndzhenga male lions. How old are the Mantimahles? They must be around the same age as the Ndzhenga male lions.
They are a bit younger then Ndhzengas, but definetly in prime years around 8.
