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Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but just wasn't sure. But are the Mantimahle's the fathers of the Nkhulu males? and is Dreadlocks one of the Mantimahles?
12-04-2022, 08:02 PM( This post was last modified: 12-04-2022, 08:05 PM by Tr1x24 )
(12-04-2022, 07:02 PM)1999gc8 Wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but just wasn't sure. But are the Mantimahle's the fathers of the Nkhulu males? and is Dreadlocks one of the Mantimahles?
Yes, they are sons of Mantimahles.
No, Dreadlocks is not Mantimahle, he is unrelated male to them, link with them earlier this year.
He was once part of DeLaporte coalition in 2019-21, unfortunately all of his partners died/disappeared.
Its speculation that he is lost brother of Young Jock /Bergendaal males.
An 7 or 8 size coalition. Even if they split in half, they can easily take on most of the reserve save perhaps for the N'was.
It's going to be quite interesting to see what they will do.
(12-04-2022, 09:07 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: An 7 or 8 size coalition. Even if they split in half, they can easily take on most of the reserve save perhaps for the N'was.
It's going to be quite interesting to see what they will do.
so 8 young males and one older male so toal 9 males ?
12-05-2022, 04:52 AM( This post was last modified: 12-05-2022, 04:52 AM by Cath2020 )
(12-04-2022, 07:02 PM)1999gc8 Wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but just wasn't sure. But are the Mantimahle's the fathers of the Nkhulu males? and is Dreadlocks one of the Mantimahles?
It's so very interesting why he is among them. Could it be that he mated with some of the lionesses of their pride at some point in the past around the time these males were born, and he feels they might be his own? Not so far-fetched. Lionesses can see mating outside of the coalition as a good strategy, especially if their males are older or absent a lot. Anyway, we'll never know.
Even if the above is not the case, it's still a very good move on his part! Aligning himself as a mature male among so many immature ones, gives him a chance to have support as he ages, and decreases the burden of hunting/finding mates, etc. Brilliant move. Hope he capitalizes on it. As we all know, the chances of a lone lion in KNP and reserves making it to old age without any problems are extremely low. Competition is fierce and cub killing on the high end.
The 2 PCM were always a huge problem for SS prides trying to raise cubs nearby, and look that, now there's a new coalition with 6-7 of them... But just to make sure these new males are the PCM's half-brothers right?
The current situation with all these coalitions reminds me of that Trilogy males vs Ross males vs Mapoza males era in the Timbavati but even crazier. The Birminghams, PCs, BDMs, Mohawk, and now these 8 or 9 males showing up at MalaMala, not an easy time for any of these prides.
(12-04-2022, 04:54 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: These guys should be around 4 yrs old now
Just curious here.. If they are only around 4 years old, any reason why you favour them over Kambula young males to take over territory?
Kambulas are only 4, these new males have twice their numbers and a prime lion with them. If they stay in SS my guess is that they'll make quick work of the Gijima males, which is unfortunate since the southern lioness was extremely lucky her new dominant males accepted her daughters.
After finishing the Gijimas off, I think they'll go for the Ndzengas, and honestly, I doubt they'll put much of a fight. If that happens, the rest of the SS prides can only hope these males will be satisfied with their territory and prides, allowing them to finish raising whatever cubs they still have, though as 8, they'll for sure split and might end up taking over the entire reserve.
12-05-2022, 09:08 AM( This post was last modified: 12-05-2022, 09:11 AM by BA0701 )
(12-05-2022, 08:11 AM)Mapokser Wrote:
(12-04-2022, 05:30 PM)Horizon Wrote:
(12-04-2022, 04:54 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: These guys should be around 4 yrs old now
Just curious here.. If they are only around 4 years old, any reason why you favour them over Kambula young males to take over territory?
Kambulas are only 4, these new males have twice their numbers and a prime lion with them. If they stay in SS my guess is that they'll make quick work of the Gijima males, which is unfortunate since the southern lioness was extremely lucky her new dominant males accepted her daughters.
After finishing the Gijimas off, I think they'll go for the Ndzengas, and honestly, I doubt they'll put much of a fight. If that happens, the rest of the SS prides can only hope these males will be satisfied with their territory and prides, allowing them to finish raising whatever cubs they still have, though as 8, they'll for sure split and might end up taking over the entire reserve.
Have any of the lions you are discussing actually even been in the same AO to this point that I am unaware of? This seems like a bit of bizarre gloom and doom speculation, entirely lacking any real world encounters from which such proclamations might be based, certainly none that I have read about.
(12-05-2022, 08:11 AM)Mapokser Wrote: After finishing the Gijimas off, I think they'll go for the Ndzengas, and honestly, I doubt they'll put much of a fight. If that happens, the rest of the SS prides can only hope these males will be satisfied with their territory and prides, allowing them to finish raising whatever cubs they still have, though as 8, they'll for sure split and might end up taking over the entire reserve.
Its way too early for such speculations, they are nomads, just got in the new area for first time, they might just tomorrow return back to Kruger or move further, you never know.
Until they start showing signs of interest in this area, speculations are pointless.
Indeed. They also lack real experience. That there is a older male with them does not mean he is the leader training them.
It would not be the first time a much hyped up large coalition like that ends up being decimated by a much smaller but experienced one. Or just moves on without doing anything.
