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01-01-2022, 03:51 AM( This post was last modified: 01-01-2022, 04:53 PM by Tonpa )
Speaking of deaths, is my log of Births and Deaths correct?
January
Births
-Six Torchwood Cubs
Deaths
- Three Kambula cubs via mange
- One Mhangene cub via unknown causes
- Sparta adult lioness via reported jaw injury and loss of condition
February
Births & Deaths
- Nothing reported
March
Births
- Five Kambula Cubs
- Four Mhangeni Cubs
Deaths
- Two Mhangeni cubs after pride interaction with Ndzhenga males
- Hairy Belly Matimba believed to have passed away via old age
April
Births
- Three Mhangene cubs
-Five Nkuhuma cubs
- Seven Styx cubs
- Three Othawa cubs
Deaths
-Sparta Sub-adult via unknown causes
-Two Talamati sub-adult females according to Arathusa Guide Roy Mkansi (unconfirmed)
May
Births
- Two Nkuhuma cubs
- Three Othawa cubs
Deaths
- Othawa Male killed by Birmingham Males
- Two Mhangene cubs via unknown causes
June
Deaths
Three Mhangene cubs via unknown causes
July
Births
Four Kambula cubs
Unknown number of Mhangene cubs never seen
Unknown number of Talamati cubs never seen
Four Styx cubs
Three Torchwood cubs
Three Sand River cubs
Deaths
Unknown number of Mhangene cubs never seen
One Mhangene cubs via unknown causes
Two Kambula cubs killed by Blondie Avoca
Two Torchwood cubs via unknown causes (actual month of death unknown)
Nkuhuma sub-adult male as a result of broken leg
August
Births
Four Kambula cubs
Two Sand River cubs
Deaths
Styx Young male killed by Mhangene pride
Unknown number of Talamati cubs never seen
September
Births
Three or Four Nwaswitshaka breakaway cubs
Deaths
Injured Eye/Skinny Tumbela via loss of condition
Talamati Sub-adult male via unknown causes
Ximhungwe sub-adult female via unknown causes
October
Deaths
Nkuhuma Sub-adult female killed by Plains Camp Males
Birmingham/Gowrie Male Tinyo via unknown causes
November
Deaths
Seven Kambula cubs via Ndzhenga males interaction
Tsalala Adult lioness killed by Nkuhuma Females and Plains camp coalition
December
Births
Unknown number of Talamati Cubs
2021
- 61 known cub births + Unknown Talamati/Mhagene litters
- 23 known cub deaths + Unknown Talamati/Mhangene litters
- Five sub-adult deaths + Unknown Talamati sub-adult females(?)/Othawa sub-adult male(?)
- Two adult lioness deaths
- Five adult male deaths
Alot of the cub birth months are guestimations since we don't see them for upto 3 months
I wonder how the Othawa subadults fit into this this though.
its safe to say that the subadult that went back with Gingerella is death now.
While Jr and his partner have been missing for months now in Kruger.
01-01-2022, 03:45 PM( This post was last modified: 01-01-2022, 07:00 PM by RookiePundit )
Styx Young male killed by Mhangene pride - this needs an asterisk at least. Personally I would have written due to (specified injury) of uknown cause. Mhangeni seemed long gone before
it happened to him (according what I gathered on Wild Fact).
Othawa sub-adult male is likely dead, but not sure which month he disappeared. The other two whatevet happened to them, didn't happen in Sabi Sands so they don't qualify for the summary imho.
I completely missed the loss of 7 Kambula cubs, not that their chances are/were any good.
Edit: Negative reputation from a newly join account with 2 posts total. Be proud of yourself, weak little man.
01-01-2022, 04:49 PM( This post was last modified: 01-01-2022, 04:52 PM by Tonpa )
From what I remember he had a puncture wound after stealing a kill from the Mhangenis that was still bleeding when a photographer came across him, and and was then recorded by londolozi to have been found in a pool of blood with the same wound noted
PC boys in Western Sector
Photos by Dulini lodge
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Guess they've left the Nkuhuma girls now that they're both presumably pregnant and not receptive to mating
(01-01-2022, 04:49 PM)Tonpa Wrote: From what I remember he had a puncture wound after stealing a kill from the Mhangenis that was still bleeding when a photographer came across him, and and was then recorded by londolozi to have been found in a pool of blood with the same wound noted
PC boys in Western Sector
Photos by Dulini lodge
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Guess they've left the Nkuhuma girls now that they're both presumably pregnant and not receptive to mating
Two separate reserves have intimated it was a result of some conflict with Mhangeni. So while it’s of course only speculation due to not being directly witnessed, it is based on their summation of evidence
Theres no evidence that Othawa subadult male who was with Gingerella is dead, he might just as well left for Kruger in search for his brothers (which is more likely, i doubt Tumbelas would kill him without scratch, especially as 1 male is not in best "fighting" condition, but ofc they might not be the reason of his demise).
I think "missing" is more appropriate term then claiming that he is dead.
01-01-2022, 05:36 PM( This post was last modified: 01-01-2022, 05:41 PM by Tr1x24 )
(01-01-2022, 05:12 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: That's concerning news. I hope that the Tumbellas can convince them to go elsewhere before they go run into the pride.
Its surprising they didn't went south though. Nym an the Mhangeni are a much more obvious target.
Them showing up in western sector (they did this before many times) doesnt mean that they will challenge Tumbelas, they are nomads afterall.
I think Tumbelas and Othawas are pretty safe from these 2, 2 Tumbelas and Othawa females with cubs to defend are prob enough to keep them at bay, especially as they have much easier target in Mhangeni pride.
01-01-2022, 06:43 PM( This post was last modified: 01-01-2022, 06:44 PM by Duco Ndona )
I don't think that sub adult would have left Gingerella by his own choice after trailing her from all the way to Kruger. Or would have ran straight back to Kruger.
Most likely he would have stayed close until being chased of by the Tumbellas and started roaming around on his own afterwards.
If he lived long afterwards, he would have been seen, just like any other nomadic male. But I guess he died not long after.
There are plenty of dangers in the wild that don't involve other lions. In any case, he hasnt been seen for months now.
I have no doubt that the Tumbellas can hold of the PC males. They dont seem confident enough to take on male lions, including the singular lions like Nym or DM avoca.
But there is always a chance of them running into a lone lioness or cub.
(01-01-2022, 04:49 PM)Tonpa Wrote: From what I remember he had a puncture wound after stealing a kill from the Mhangenis that was still bleeding when a photographer came across him, and and was then recorded by londolozi to have been found in a pool of blood with the same wound noted
PC boys in Western Sector
Photos by Dulini lodge
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Guess they've left the Nkuhuma girls now that they're both presumably pregnant and not receptive to mating
Two separate reserves have intimated it was a result of some conflict with Mhangeni. So while it’s of course only speculation due to not being directly witnessed, it is based on their summation of evidence
Yes, they took their kill. But from the pictures posted it was colncluded he was without that injury when Mhangeni were no longer present, which would make hyena or Nkuhuma male the likely culprit (as those were present). The timeline ofc could be misinterpreted I guess Mhangeni can't be ruled out completely, but it is what it is.
